About Flip with Nick
Flip with Nick is the online home of real estate investor and mentor Nick Vertucci, a retired police officer who claims that he has created the "blueprint for profit" in real estate investing.
How Does It Work?
According to the website, interested customers can sign up for one of the Fortunes in Flipping seminars that Nick Vertucci offers throughout Southern California. Vertucci believes that while real estate investment is a great way to make money, the truth is that it is a difficult business and requires teaching and mentoring in order for new investors to be successful.
These seminars are described as teaching attendants "the world's most efficient system for flipping properties," as well as explanations of how you can get no money down funding and how to find the best investment properties.
There is no explanation of fees or costs for these seminars, or any of the products you can get through these seminars. It is, however, free to register for a seminar, and the website promises that attendants will receive a free Fortunes in Flipping Kit worth $400.
Since the seminar is free to register for, there is no published Refund Policy or Guarantee. Customers who purchase products from this seminar or other related Nick Vertucci events should ask about potential refunds at that time.
Customer Service Contact Info
Customers who would like to contact their Customer Service team with questions, concerns, or complaints can do so using their advertised phone number 800-328-6418.
Unfortunately there are not many user reviews available for these seminars at this time. There are some complaints from past users of other Nick Vertucci materials and classes, but it does not seem that there are reviews specific for the Flip with Nick seminar series.
Competitors and Alternatives?
There are many other companies, people, and organizations that claim to teach people the best methods for investing in real estate, including Cody Sperber, Real Estate Mentoring, FreedomSoft, and many more.
If you have any experience with this company or their products, please leave your Flip with Nick reviews below.
23 ‘Flip with Nick’ Reviews
Last month, I received a card and two tickets in the mail to attend the NVREA seminar. stated the recipient and guest would receive a power bank, usb drive, $20 gift card and a smart watch. However, upon arrival, we were informed only the recipient would receive the $20 gift card. We signed up for the 3-day seminar. I didn’t receive any communication from them after. As a result, I didn’t even know in which hotel the seminar was being held. Fortunately, my partner got an email, or I would have demanded a refund.
For the 3-day seminar, I was very happy with the team we had. Ryan and Rob provided us with a good bit of useful information, enough to do paper flips on our own. They provided an abundant of before and after photos, which really showed the potential of rehab properties. While the team devoted a small amount of time to promoting the bus tour, they did spend the bulk of the three days teaching us what was promised. They covered the three streams of income in fairly good detail. From the seminar reviews I’ve seen online, I can safely say Ryan and Rob comprise one of your best teams. Because of them, we purchased the elite package.
Everything continued smoothly, until after the event. I encountered a total absence of communication from NVREA. We were told we would receive an email containing the group facebook page. I received nothing. We were told we would receive information regarding their wholesale webinar series. Nothing. We were also supposed to receive information on the bus tour, for which we paid a hefty amount. Again, nothing. Finally, we were told the Anderson Group would call us regarding setting up a corporation for the turnkey business. I assume I won’t hear from them, either.
I got a but ticked off at NVREA’s silence. So I called to ask whether the partner is actually entitled to any of the benefits advertised in the course, such as coaching and the facebook page. They said yes. I then asked why I received absolutely no communication from them.
Come to find out, if you sign up with a partner, ALL of the follow up contacts and information is directed ONLY to the main contact on the agreement. A coach did call my partner, who then forwarded the subsequent emails to me. This information about contacts should have been clearly communicated prior to having two people sign the agreement. Very sketchy.
Carla, the representative to whom I spoke, confirmed my email address and said she would send me all of the initial emails. What did I get? Nothing. I called back later in the afternoon to change the phone number on file. It seems there will be difficulty locating me in the system without first referencing my partner's phone number. Very inefficient. To date, all communication continue to be directly solely to my partner, the main contact, despite her request otherwise. Either everything is scripted, or they just don't listen.
I've emailed Nick Vertucci twice over the past few days and haven't received even an acknowledgement.
Were I to advise a potential student intending to register for the bus tour with someone unrelated and don’t intend to partner with them in this business, I would say, think twice because you may never hear from NVREA again without some effort. In other words, you are SOL.
Overall, I would give the 3-day seminar 5 stars, but the administrative portion rates a zero. Communication is key and the lack thereof is quite disappointing.
Not so sure, somewhat sketch with a reportedly sketchy instructor.
Everything sounds fantastic however if you listen closely, you'll realize that not everything adds up.
No I didn't attend the academy, only the free event so this review is based only on my impression from the free event and some information if found after the event on line, written by others and information regarding the speaker/instructor/salesman at the free event.
They spent the vast majority of the seminar on how with their system you can find bank owned/repossessed homes far below market prices, use "other people's money" (OPM) to buy the home and perform repairs etc then sell it at market value. He talks about how if you go to the training, you are guaranteed to have access to this OPM. The term "paper flip" is only briefly mentioned. That's where it's misleading. That's where you need to ask questions and that's what they should be explaining. Thing is, a "paper flip" isn't nearly as sexy as buying a home with OPM and turning it for a huge profit. Yet from what I've gathered, that's what they want you to do after the $1695 class and that's primarily you will be learning at the 3 day $1695 classes. Basically your doing the dirty footwork, finding homes in the "target" area they describe for someone else. That someone else will pay you a finders fee but they will be the one making the huge profit, not you.
I've also read that there is a hidden agenda for the $1695 you'll spend for the 3 day class learning how to do Nick's perfected "paper flip." They will be trying to up sell you in a $50,000 4 day bus tour.
Now, if knowing that doesn't change your willingness to cough up $1695, how about this. The pitch at the free seminar was led by Michael Syme's, he is the name behind "Keys to Making Money with Online Auctions." Michael Syme is known by many as a scam artist. At Nick's event, Mike likes to tell a "story" about how he was living paycheck to paycheck then he and his wife had baby that was very premature and how he incurred great debt as a result. He never said how much but has told people at other seminars that it was in excess of $500k. Others have said that Michael said that he wasn't insured, he told us that the $ he owed was his part after insurance paid. Thing is, Michael Syme used to do the exact same thing as he is doing now, without the premature baby Hospital debt story. Michael Syme was putting on a free seminar that's only purpose is to get you excited enough to cough up cash for the actual information/training. The fee for his Auction training was $4000. The fee for training at the Nick Vertucci seminar was $1695.00 (price varies from what I've read) this is for 3 days teaching the Nick improved secrets and training. He'll tell you that the fee is not to make money, it's to weed out those who are serious from those who are not.
In summary, the free event and information I've read, leaves me with the impression that it's a scam and at least has one known scammer for an instructor. That said, I tend to think that if you work hard, implement what's taught, you might make some money regardless.
Nick, if you read this, I'm not complaining about something that I was given, but you should know that the GPS smart watch, does not have GPS.
Complaint: My partner and I signed up for a real estate seminar under the impression the seminar would be a three day program teaching wholesaling techniques. The seminar was in reality a whole weekend of information pushing a bus tour to teach rehabbing, for an additional $30,000. We did not proceed with the bus tour and as such received follow up calls from the academy inquiring about our satisfaction with the program. We advised the rep that we were not satisfied with the program as it did not teach what we were advertised to learn. We were then followed up with a call from a "specialist" who offered to teach an exclusive wholesaling class for an additional $5,000. I already paid $1,695 for the initial program. I submitted the request for refund and waiver via e-mail on a document provided by the academy. I have yet to receive a response or even acknowledgment. I would like a refund of my purchase.Desired Settlement: I have no further desire than a refund of what I paid. I am willing to sign the waiver to indicate I will not make further complaints/requests of the program.
Buyer be aware. Don't jump into it
Attended the San Antonio Free presentation on Sep 1, 2016. Heard about it on the radio. It sounded like they have the inventory and the funds but needed 20 people to grow the business. Received packed lunch and a gift for attending. Everyone was nice and friendly at first but as soon as I declined to sign up fo their $1,695 three day seminar, their mood changed to sour. There was no sign on Nick. The presenter was Gus. Emotional trip about why you should do it for your family's future etc etc. Out of the 20+ people attending I only saw a 3 people sign up for the 3 day seminar. I have been to a few real estates flip presentation and they are all starting to sound the same. I have a System, give me your money and I'll teach you how to make lots of money. It was really pathetic. I feel sorry for the poor souls who signed up. First they suck you in with free presentation then more money and more seminars until they drop the bomb give me $K money to really teach you how to make money. If you have a secret of how to make lots of money, why then do you need us!?? They need more suckers to pay them thousands of dollars for training. They made everything very simplistic and the real world doesn't work like that. The even suggested that one could withdraw their 401k to use for the business. Very dangerous and detrimental advice. Gus shared his story and he really joined Nicks team out of desperation It sounds very entertaining and euphoric but it's a dangerous move to do out of desperation. Right next door to our conf room there was another "house flipping" seminar alaways know that if something sounds too good to be true it usually is. There is no get rich quick scheme and Nicks team proved it, they need us and our money to propel their empire. Clearly they are not making enough money flipping houses so they travel around the country selling seminars and training. Canadians be aware of this business RCA will eat you alive if they found out you are flipping selling home x-border and not declaring it on your taxes. Good Luck.
The best in the business!
I would give 5++, if it was possible, for the unmatched quality of training that they provide, besides the highest level of support and assistance to all their graduates. I have attended many trainings in my life, but never seen anywhere close to what I experienced here. The level of knowledge, commitment and approachability of all the coaches and their staff was top notch. Initially, I was also susceptible after attending the first overview free session. But, still signed up for the 3 days detailed one few weeks later, which really opened my eyes. It really made sense what they said, because I believe in facts and figures and the numbers do not lie. My heart kept reminding me to go with them as these people looked real and genuine. I took the plunge and just finished the extensive training with my daughter in California. That was one of a lifetime experience for both of us. My daughter is very smart and I am no fool either. I have over 30 years experience of working with Fortune-500 companies all over the world. I must tell you, no other training in my life has given me that much detailed knowledge and tools, to make you feel confident and have self-belief to fulfill all your cherished dreams. Each and every day, the coaches were available to sit with you one-on-one, to answer all your questions and doubts 2-3 hours before the start of the session and right up to or even after mid night. They won't let you leave until you are completely satisfied with their answers and explanations. Even after returning back, I have access to their hotline number to ask any questions or seek guidance if I feel unsure or am missing any of the steps I was taught. They literally walk you through by holding your hand, until you are comfortable to be on your own. I still stumble sometimes in my baby steps, but am amazed to find help and support from Nick's caring team at the hour of need to help me get up and start walking again.
The visionary and the founder of this Academy is an ex-cop and is a man of humility, with highest level of integrity and resolute commitment towards all his students, something that is not seen much in today's day and age. He is not only successful in doing this business ethically, but also has an untiring magnanimous vision and endeavor to inspire and improve the quality of life of other human beings, irrespective of their race, color, faith or religion.
If I still do not succeed in spite of all the sincere efforts of the NVREA team, to see me cross the line, I would have no one to blame except me. I just need to keep following the system and tirelessly work diligently towards achieving my goals one day at a time and stay happy and positive in all situations.
For all those who just attended the introductory overview session and started rating this organization, please stand in front of a mirror and ask, how much rating you deserve to get from yourself, forget about what others rate you. Still, don't lose hope and get up to give yourself another chance. Please see the full movie from start till The End, before submitting your reviews as your comments may prevent someone from not only transforming his/her life, but also their families who are their dependents and carry high hopes from them.
Long live, Nick Vertucci and his team! May God bless you all!
Not what I expected, it proved so much better!
Like many people, I went to the free one day seminar with a great amount of skepticism. I've been duped by "slick" salespeople before, so I am very wary of those sort of things. There is only so much information they can teach in a couple of hours, and I was expecting some kind of sales pitch and I was correct. The amount of money I spent on the 3 day weekend seminar seemed reasonable, so I went ahead and paid it.
My wife and I attended the 3 day event and we were blown away by the amount of information we received. The materials we'd obtained prior to the 3 day and all the information we got at the event were well worth the price of admission.
My wife and I had discussed in advance what we would do if we were presented with another sales pitch for "something else". We decided in advance that our answer was going to be ,"no". There was another sales pitch, but given the amount of information we'd received at the 3 day, we were convinced of the value, so we went ahead and paid the money for the bus tour.
We were not at all disappointed. In fact, the value of the information we received continued to far exceed the dollar amount we paid.
The network of investors that Nick has created is absolutely priceless. The support, mentoring and one on one coaching is invaluable. Where else can you find seasoned professionals willing to take you under their wing and show you the ropes of real estate investing? The system that Nick has come up with is simply genius! He has lenders, wholesalers and flippers all working together to help each other make money. He has information and resources and coaching to help protect yourself against a bad investment.
Ultimately you have to be the one to actually reach out and grab the brass ring, but Nick has put the brass ring within easy reach of anyone that wants it.
Now, I will be the first to admit that real estate investing is not for everyone. There will always be those who "dabble" and don't follow the system. Then, when the dabbler fails, and they always do, they blame Nick, instead of looking in the mirror to discover where the real problem lies.
My recommendation is run, don't walk, to the nearest Nick Vertucci free one day class, sign up for the 3 day weekend, then sign up for the bus tour. Go all in. You won't regret it. We did and we are so glad we did.
Is it expensive? From where I sit, yes, it is expensive, but Nick's system has a component to help you raise capital to cover the cost of your education investment and business startup. My wife and I were not sure just how much capital they could raise. Frankly, we were astonished! If you have good credit you'll be fine. Let them help you raise capital and you'll have more than enough. If you don't have good credit, they can show you how to repair your credit and get rolling again.
Start thinking like a business owner and a real estate investor and take your future back!
My wake up call came when I was laid off my job. I told myself I needed to do something different. I have found my "something different" in the Nick Vertucci real estate academy system.
My prayer is that you see the value, and go for it. If you do, look me up, maybe we can make some money together! I'll look forward to meeting you someday.
Positively Pleasantly Surprised
Positively Pleasantly Surprised
I have always been a skeptic, if it sounds to good to be true it is, those are scams HOWEVER that's not what I got from this training. It wasn't cheap but I didn't feel like they cut any corners. They put on a great presentation. They give you the tools to succeed, its what you do as an individual whether you succeed or not. I thought that Nick and his crew were great, genuine and love what they do, with that, you feed off that and I couldn't agree more that positive reinforcement/mentors play a big part in that success. Overall everything was great, they tell you up front this is not a get rich quick though it can happen it does take hard work & dedication. The days were long and packed with stuff which again made me feel like I got my moneys worth. If I had to nit pick I would of condensed the binder provided because of traveling. They did say it went till Mon, I just assumed it would be wrapped up in the AM because of check out, so I booked a flight in the early afternoon and missed the final 1/2 of the day. I am looking forward to my success with the help/support of NVREA. Thank you NVREA I always dreamed of doing something like this and now I can!
Get in, Get out, Get paid!
I am a graduate of the Nick Vertucci Real Estate Academy and a member of Nick’s Pride!
Because of the education and the mentoring I received, the ongoing support network Nick created, and of course, putting in the hard work that comes with starting your own business, I am now doing deals in two different states, neither of which is the state I actually reside in. NVREA taught me how to do that. Get in, get out, get paid! How cool is that?
Thankful Veteran - thanks Nick for the life change!
Nothing in life is free! You need to want to better yourself in order to become better! Nick Verucci's program is a way to better yourself! He teaches you steps to follow, he shows you the doors, he shows you the system, shows you proof the system works! Anyone can do it, you just have to believe in yourself.
The support network is there to help and they get nothing out of it except the satisfaction of helping a fellow member.
I came into the 2 day free seminar closed minded and decided to jump in just to see what it gave me at the three day class, my wife and I attended the 3-day and we saw there was more and decided to join the bigger team and attend the 4 day class! Now, the only thing we regret is not doing it sooner!
We are now changing our lives thanks to Nicks system and enjoying every minute of it!!!
Nick Vertucci is a genuine great person who truly cares about the individual and not the money. I truly believe in him and support him 100%
Don't knock it until you go ALL IN!
I was one of those people who attended the free seminar and I too was skeptical and did not know what to expect before arrival, but 15 minutes in and I knew there was something worth listening to and I need it to know more.
I followed to the 3 day training and by then I knew that if I wanted to go into this career I had to do it with training from the Nick Vertucci's Academy. Yes it was scary, yes it was nerve wraking but what new job or career venture isn't. Everything you try new for the first time will feel the same way. The key is going all in and have an open mind during the process if that it's what you decided to do.
In my opinion, a person makes up their mind about other people or a product in the first moments of meeting them or trying it. And if you go in these events looking for mistakes, what the speaker said or didn' t say, or grammatical errors then guess what? That it's exactly what you will find because that is what you looking for, instead of success.
In my training experience with Nick Vertucci and the NVREA staff I will say they made sure that we were well informed, prepared and confident in all of our training. I was greatly impressed with Nick's desire to pay it forward and his level of care and attention to detail for us (students). I have never met someone with his status so genuine. These are professional men and women who do this not because they have to but because they have achieved a level of success that now allows them to give back. and when you are there you will not only see it but feel it. Nick inspires and teach the students and his staff are all active successfull investors who walk the walk. No B.S. talk.
The academy it's the real deal and they set you up for success! This was a life changing career decision and NVREA made that possible and worth it for me and they can do it for you too. I recommed it to the extend that I will do it all over again. And anyone who gives bad reviews on the Academy it's for one of two reasons, either they did not go all in, or simply they were never ready to make the change in their lives to begin with!
NVREA - Best Training and Value in the business!!!!!
I went to the Training and I believe this is the best on the market. I was not sure if i wanted to be in the Investment business but after the training in my self I am happy I did it and would do it again with blinking and eye.
Are the NV Real Estate Academy I learned what it take to make it in this business, they was caring, professional and knew the business inside and out. As for the Staff you can beat them they are the best.
As for Nick well I had a chance to talk to him and he honestly wanted to talk to me and help me be successful. I really believe they he thinks of all of us as his family and believe he would do what it take to make us successful.
If you have things to say about the NV Real Estate Academy that are bad you have not attended the academy, if you have went to the academy and didn't understand I am sure they the NV Real Estate Academy would do what it takes to help and make you successful.
I already made my mind up that everyone that would work for my company will need to attend the NV Real Estate Academy plain and simple. This is great training that could help anyone be successful.
The Best in the Business
Nick Vertucci goes beyond expectations! A Big Thanks to all at NV REA for an amazing May 2016 Tour. This is a game changing experience, and my family and I are glad we took the steps to be part of such an awesome group.
The level of professionalism, integrity and the amount of authentic sharing to bring others along this successful journey is to be applauded. This goes way beyond flipping houses; this is about transformations in family, life and community whatever your story. With a systematic approach to the business and the tools to manage it, the NV REA has put together a holistic approach to surround us with the right people and give us the world in our hands.
Is it an investment? Yes, of course it is. It's an investment in time, money and dedication to do what you need to do. If someone gets paid for a service or product, does that make it less authentic or not the real deal? Of course not. This is the real deal, and Nick is for real! Talk about integrity.
Genuine. Inspiring. Enabling. Nick Vertucci & the NV REA are the Best in the Business. And the Best in the Business who cares!
Our recommendation --- Grab on and Don't let go!
Thanks again to all!
The educational value is incredible. System works and all the tools are provided for success. Trainers and Nick are group of hard working, amazing people with integrity and they all really care about students.
I am very excited about starting our next chapter as a family.
Also after the course there is support of high level trainers any time you need help of have a question, which other program offers that?!
Nick and his staff are great!
Flipping with Nick Vertucci - WINNER!
My husband and I attended the free one day seminar in January 2016, sounded good as we wanted to do more in real estate besides owning two rentals and our office building for our business of 26 years. Gus was our presenter and he was very honest and up front. Signed up for the 3 day seminar which yes does cost money but we thought it would be a good learning experience. Erik was our presentor at this seminar and once again we were very pleased with his honesty and experience and learned a ton and wanted to learn more. Next step was the "Bus Tour" real estate investment training which we signed up for and again, it was more money out of our pocket but we were investing in our future. We figured it was worth a try since everything they have told us was true so far.
We just got back from our 4 day "Bus Tour" training in May 2016 with Nick Vertucci and it was absolutely amazing! This man knows what he is doing and is dedicated to the success of each and everyone of his students. Everything was top notch and professional. Nick gives you all the tools that you need to succeed. We had four days of intense training from some of the very best in the business, met tons of people with the same integrity and determination which Nick teaches and teaches well.
What can I say but the system does work! Three days prior to leaving for the four day training we finished our first flip with Nick's system and got an offer at full price after being on the market for one day. We followed Nick's system just like he trained us and we got results. We did this with the training we received in his 3 day seminar and then after receiving the training from the four day "Bus Tour" investment training we now feel we are ready to be one of the best real estate investors because of the training from Nick Vertucci. If you want the real deal and the best training possible then go to one of Nick's investment seminars and go with an open mind and determination to be the very best, because that is what you will get from it if you put your time and effort in.
Thank you Nick from the bottom of our hearts.
The best investment I've ever made!
Nick and his team exceeded any and all expectations! This will be a time of my life that I look back on and say...wow, that's where it started!
I am so confident that I will be a beast and crush it as an investor because of the knowledge and ongoing support!!!
Nick Vertucci. I was a student of a RE seminar
I'm writing this to let you know I'm a product of this process myself. 12 years ago I knew nothing about real estate and now I've done numerous deals and have created a financial legacy for me and my family.
Now I've created this company for the sole purpose of helping others like me. Yes I don't do it for free and I make more focusing on real estate but this is my passion. I love my students. We call them pride members.
This company is founded on ethics and integrity. And we provide the best training in the business.
Please leave reviews with integrity and hopefully they are founded. My business and reputation is everything to me. Most of the not so great reviews all seem to be from people who went to the free event but didn't participate. With no way to know who I am and what we really do.
See you on the other side of success.
The Real Deal
I had no real estate knowledge prior to going to the free event Dec 2015. It's true there is not much information provided but how much could you really learn in 2-3 hours... for free? I decided to take the next step, the 3 day seminar. It was worth the $, in my opinion. You learn enough in those 3 days that you could start into the Fix-and-Flip business. Like I said I knew nothing about Real Estate before this so I chose to take the last step and become part of the Network. That is more $, but in this case, you truly get what you pay for. The workshop/conference was packed with information, resources, mentors and more than I could have imagined. They even take you out to foreclosed/probate home and allow you to get real experience evaluating properties. This program is not for everyone, but if you're motivated & willing to work the program & use the resources provided, NVREA is worth it. Best decision I've ever made!
NVREA***Best Decision Ever***
I started this journey back in January of 2016. I attended the "Free" one day event, which was free as advertised with "free" gifts, which I got. At this event we were given the opportunity to further our education at a 3 day event to be held in our home city the following month. As with any education, there are cost which were told to us up front if we were interested in attending. As you will or have noticed already I refer to "we" often as the "we" is my wife and I. You see Nick and his team allow you to either bring a wife or partner to this class. They get the same education as the other does which to the both of us was the ultimate experience as we were both interested in changing our lives for ever. This "3 Day Training" was everything that we expected and more. After that 3 day Training we had the tools that we needed to be successful. At this event we were given a chance to further our education in the Real Estate Investment world if we desired.
We did desire to further our voyage and boy are we both glad we did. We were allowed to schedule another training in real estate investment called the "Bus Tour". This training was the best training that I could ever imagine. It lasted for 4 days and was jammed packed with knowledge and the tools need to be even more successful than I ever imagined I or we could be. I am still blown away on how valuable the information taught to us.
Bottom line folks, you get what you put into and nothing is free in life. If you want someone's opinion on this class, then you just got it. Nick Vertucci and his team are "superstars" in my eyes. His team all have been through the same classes and all have success stories to share with you. if you want to succeed as a Real Estate Investor I highly recommend NVREA. It is the real deal period.
I have never been involved with any organization with more values and high standards since I was in the United States Air Force. They teach you to do things the right way, the honest way. This all comes from the top on down and that top is Nick Vertucci.
Mark and Dawn Gallagher
Nick Vertucci Real Estate Academy
I attended the Nick Vertucci Real Estate Academy Bus Tour in February 2016. Now I am probably the biggest skeptic in the room by nature; however, after the 4 day bus tour and my one on one training, I am now a true believer in Nick's system. In 3 short months, I have Wholesaled 9 properties and I currently have 4 properties/flips in my pipeline. Nick has made this system user friendly. If you follow the system on each and every deal, you will succeed. Along with Nick's system, he has compiled an awesome support system that will assist you every step of the way. This training and support systems gave me the knowledge and confidence to make the money that I want to make and have fun doing it. Thanks Nick !! Keep doing what your doing!!
Seemed like everyone else...
I'm not one for 'get rich quick' schemes after trying a few programs in my youth, and it seems like this is how their program is touted as well. I had never attended a seminar like this, but walked out after the first 30 minutes of watching videos of success stories, and hearing the presenter talk about how they were going to have every one of their students retired in 3 years. When I walked out is when he said it was a no-brainer to go with them other than starting a traditional business, because 93% of businesses fail in the first year (faulty statistic) and if you want to start a franchise it would take about 250k minimum. Well, I have 3 businesses, 2 of which are franchises and I started all with less than 20,000 and all were successful in the first year, so I have a 100% success rate, glory to God. So, that showed me that they'll throw around bad stats and say anything just to get people in the mindset that their program is the only way to build wealth. Don't waste your time.