Quixtar Reviews

Anonymous   Location unknown

11:30am on Monday, March 3rd, 2008

hey brian from phoenix.....BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!!

Brian   Phoenix

8:42am on Monday, March 3rd, 2008 

Brian, from NY, in all of your ramblings you never really mention anything on how to succeed in the "business".

Also, you really have to use paragraphs or something because your, incredibly long, statements are hard to follow, when you change ideas.

I'm not going to address everything you said because that would take all day. But here are some things I want you to answer.

First of all, you said you buy CD's and books because you need to get motivated. That's fine, but you never did tell me how much you spent on such materials. Secondly, why would you need motivation if this was such a great "business" opportunity?

Also, you mention people are "negative thinkers". Who tells you this? Why is it if somebody questions the business ethics, and morals of Amway/Quixtar (and buy the way Quixtar IS AMWAY) they are negative?
You mention "Facts don't matter because if you want something bad enough it will happen, no matter what anyone says"
That's not true, in the least bit. I wanted to be a major league baseball player when I was a kid. Nobody told me I'd never make it, but when I got to college and realized I couldn't catch up to a 95MPH fastball, no matter how hard I trained, or tried, or believed, I didn't have the God given talent to do so.
Now you mention a baseball player hitting .225 for a season and then doing well in the playoffs? Bad analogy. That's like saying a Quixtar IBO hits 300PV volume for 11 months and then 1 month they hit 1000PV. In the end someone who hits say .314 with 54HRS and 156RBI's in the regular season but only drives in 1 run his last 16 postseason games will still get 275Million over 10 years. Of course I'm talking about Alex Rodriguez.

It's great that you don't count statistics but there is a reason we have them. Just like in any major sport, or study, statistics measure the success of the individual, team or group. The 99% of IBO's who fail to make money in Amway/Quixtar is simply a measure of how likely somebody is to succeed. Of course that doesn't mean you can't be successful, it just means it's not likely. Just like buying a lotto ticket. Nobody says it's not possible, just not likely.

This is the last subject I'll question you on Brain, (from NY), you mentioned how you don't have to answer to anyone in Amway/Quixtar. Ok, then answer me this, why don't you advertise your business in the newspaper? On the radio? Even on TV?
Why not set up a kiosk in the mall? At a fair? On EBAY? Why not get with the owner of a grocery store ot corner store and set up a display case to sell your "amazing" products? Please, instead of beating around the bush with half truths and totally of the wall, responses, that have nothing to do with the question, just, please, simply answer my questions.

Quickly one other thing. You mention your Glister Toothpaste to be superior to Crest, or Colgate LOL! Glister doesn't even have a recommendation by the ADA. How can it possibly be better than Crest or Colgate? Nutralite is definitely a better product than Centrum, I'll give you that. But at $300 for a 6 month supply as compared to Centrum at $13.99 for the same six months do you really need it?
That's like buying a Porsche for 75,000 to go 3 miles up the road to work when you can get a brand new Toyota Camry for half the price. In essence they do the same thing but one costs much more.

brian   nyc

8:42pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

Facts truly are if you really work at something all your life and you really want it bad enough it will happen no matter what anyone has to say

Negative people try to break peoples dreams and hopes they need to crawl back in their little hole where they came from please someone get me a case of bug spray will ya lol

Why can't negative people keep their negative comments to themselves if they are so miserable maybe they should get 2 jobs and work even harder in life hey nothing wrong with that just not much of a life

I think in todays society we live in a cruel world people are not optimistic about many things which is very sad. I do feel sorry for people that work many jobs my aunt did for 30 years and she died from stress working for a boss she hated she was only 62. Stress kills many people that work in jobs. The only person i have to answer to which you are sorely mistaken is God period no one else thank you very much just because someone sponsored me doesnt mean i have to answer to her and besides funny thing is i make more then her in this business the last 2 months.

brian   nyc

8:35pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

another area that puzzles me if you do your so called research youll realize this business is not only about selling quixtar products we do work with 800 companies that are pretty credible alot of them. I know if i buy a tv one day then say a camcorder true someone said do you get 1 every month no i dont i get other things like i do read alot i get about 15 books a month from barnes and noble i buy things for my car all kinds of things let me ask you when you go to the store what do they give you its called NADA you get nothing but a receipt a smile and bye come again. I buy all kinds of things every month from sports authority models popular places in nyc and you forget to mention we have a slew of customers which generate me alot of income. We do have things that are cheaper some some the same as others and some more expensive. We are the 1 health and beauty retailer on the internet and thats a fact we also have more hits then ebay thats a fact and by the way last i recall when i buy anything from ebay do i receive a bonus commission rebate check back from them the answer is no and thats a fact. The fact is there are alot of negative people probably a good 80% in the world do you want to be one of them most in here are not everyone but most.

brian   nyc

8:29pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008

by the way im very happy i have alot in my life and i owe some of it to this business im not miserable living paycheck to paycheck having to work 9-5 5 days a week trying to kill time thats a joke which i get from many people. Let me see ill watch tv kill time that will get you fat lazy old fast and get you nowhere. People are closeminded, negative, and are slaves to an extent to their jobs they dont know anything else. I was in computers but saw that id still be working for an employer. Isn't it funny you comment on a business that will be around for another 40 years at least the last laugh will be on people who actually think our name will change back to amway. I know many people who were successful including my dad although my cousin wasnt like i said its a numbers game. I am not saying everyone has to be in quixtar people can start any business all i am saying for me this business is not hard if you apply yourself to it and really work at it. I am also not saying working for corporate america is bad i just want more out of life and i at least can honestly say i dont work for corporate america anymore i work in real estate and do this part time period. Its just like real estate i make my own hours and love working on commission. It is in my opinion the only way to go if you truly want to make a ton of money in the future. In corporate america i laugh because this one guy tells me i made 100k last year i told him what you worked 650 hours overtime in your job and lets see you took home what 60k maybe thats a life yeah maybe for some but i dont need to live that way. The people that dont want to get in i just say next and move on period.

brian   nyc

8:20pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

you call a business a cult because people try to motivate people into succeeding i just dont get it well the facts are if you are negative in life youll stay broke its just like my friend he told me hey no way the new york giants are going to win they have no chance talk about a negative attitude well guess what they won and i took home 700 bucks because i believed they were going to win. All i hear is this cant work and that cant work the word can't or ill try means i won't lets face it this is a numbers game of course not everyone will get involved and no one is telling you to get involved but i will tell you this for every 10 i talk to at least 2 or 3 will and thats all i need constantly to make pretty good money. I guess the very few according to you were negative just like you and they made it please its called have a great attitude in life and see where you go think negative end up nowhere but down in the dumps working until your 72 which will be the new retirement age and lets see social security i hear what 2041 there will be none. I was laughing at this one guy who just finished 20 years on the force in nyc he gets a pension of what 2400 a month for the rest of his life he worked like 50 hours a week you call this a life i call this someone who is in a poor state of income you cant live off this a pension what a joke and risk his life everyday. I feel you have to bond with positive energy around positive people and lets face it if you truly believe in yourself you can do just about anything. Its funny how parents tell you when you are a child go to high school then college then get your masters and go get a job what a joke lol a job is so risky because of many reasons 1-layoffs 2 can get fired 3 companies merge 4 live pay check to pay check if this is how you would like to live which is about 85% of the people in the world go ahead nothing wrong with that but id rather work 15-20 hours a week and not as stressed as the average person. I dont have to worry about paying bills in my own business dont have to worry about a recession being laid off or fired its called working for yourself its the best way to go in life if you truly want to get somewhere unless of course you are say a doctor or dentist but look how many hours they work. You can say what you want whats false listen i answer to no one my upline why do i need to answer to them lol please dont comment on things you know nothing about. WHY do i need to open my store and sell my quixtar products when im doing just fine as is. Why break something that is doing well for me? Why sell on ebay do you get anything back on ebay NO do you get anything back on amazon NO THATS THE FACTS

brian   nyc

5:43pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

Well whats guaranteed is if you apply yourself to any business in life it is. Really does anyone really want to be around lazy people in the world who are so negative i think not. Misery does love company. Take a police officer for example they have to be the most negative people ive ever seen they just live paycheck to paycheck i mean granted they do risk their lives everyday but really they are mostly disgrunted people with no real direction. Dont you get tired of people in a job telling you that you have to be here on this day a cop is basically owned by the city just like most people. I think people should not knock a company down when they are not even in this business. Your facts some are true but again if everyone was like you they wouldnt even play mega millions because the chances are like what i in a billion but of course the negative person really has no chance. For example if you tell yourself your going to be late for work you will be liate your mind tells you this. You can listen to facts to me if you do the work which costs really nothing unless you are broke which is funny because i buy cereal, energy drinks, toothpaste by the way is much better then crest or colgate ever will be just like our sa8 pruduct which is a laundry detergent that is out of this world. You keep having centrun and see where you go we have a vitamin that makes centrum look like crap. See i do my research in my products

brian   nyc

4:48pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

tell you what i can guarantee that in the next3-5 years i will be diamond because i believe it and im a confident guy so i guess ill be number 2 out of 14001 which is fine by me and besides what is wrong with being a ruby or sapphire its better them working in corporate americas pyramid at least i can get up when i want and not have to worry about a job thank you very much

brian   nyc

4:46pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

well here is how i look at things see i for dont believe in statistics that is the problem with everyone today brian from phenoix. You asked me what i spend on dvd's cds meetings im being honest i go to 1 meeting a week so thats what 24 dollars plus gas say 50 dollars month. I buy cds because you need them to get inspired. People love to knock businesses really they know nothing about because they are not in them. I have made money in this business so for me it works i never look at stats to be honest for what why cant you or i go diamond please with that attidude you will get nowhere in life. I know at least 8 people who are diamonds did they say oh it cant work 1 in 14000 make it. There are many lazy people in the world which is sad and thats why they dont make it. I know the people who succeed in life its just like baseball you see guys bat what 225 the entire year and then all of a sudden they do fantastic in the playoffs. Stats dont always mean anything just because they all failed do you have to be number 14001 please and besides what is wrong with making an additional 1-2k a month i know i have already so i wish all the negative haters in life will just move on and let people who are positive have their peace. Its funny its almost like saying take hilary clinton is she negative does she say to her self damn i cant make it no woman ever became president with that attitude you dont have a chance in hell but with a positive approach she can succeed. I actually like hearing positive people talk on cds and in these meetings its better then watching tv sitting on a rocking chair wasting your life away watching the people on tv succeed while most are still broke working until they are 72 i for 1 wont have to thank God because i dont listen to negative people because they will only keep you broke and thats a fact everyone. First of all we are not amway people need to understand this amway did not have 800 companies backing us up. How can you go into debt by joining this business you have to be a complete idiot i mean give me a break what moron will go broke in this buisness i mean i buy energy drinks and i will tell you most people like a product that has no sugar no carbs and what 8 calories i know plenty of people that are customers of mine that love it for 1 thing if a person is diabetic which is many in the world its an awesome product. Also keep drinking water like poland spring get educated on a real product like espring then come back to me and youll see the difference. I feel like this if a product is a bit more money so what if its really good and besides you talk of what a couple of things i dont have to buy my products to succeed in this business i can have many customers come in and buy things from the other 800 companies we are associated with. Negative people go no where in life just remember that especially disgruntled people who have no direction and dont want to try something that actually works. Keep your day job just remember you can get laid off fired and live life paycheck to paycheck their is no comparison ive been there dont that period. Id rather not work in a corporate pyramid in life where i will never make what my boss or the ceo make living life and staying average and broke. Some people have big dreams but do most actually work hard in this business to achieve them the answer is no people fail for many reasons they listen to negative people who influence them i think i need some bug spray to get rid of these negative pests. They dont do the work because if they did they would succeed most anyway they are lazy dont go to many meetings or buy cds i know because i have seen them id had a couple of them who were like this didnt do no work and wondered why they didnt get a check why not have people motivated and this is a good business i know i am making money so its good for me and the people i sponsored are doing quite well

quixtarisacult   US

4:21pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

Is a Quixtar Cult Intervention in your future? Quixtar, soon to be Amway Global has basically imploded. Change is in the air. Where the folk in Ada Michigan take this biz in the next few years nobody really knows. Since Amway is on the verge of being completely rolled up in the UK, maybe the Amway corporate thinkers are devising a shape change for the biz to keep the FTC from also rolling them up the the States.

Brian   Phoenix

3:49pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

Raymond, if more IBO's had your sensibility and understanding, Amway wouldn't have such a poor reputation.
You're one of the smart ones, who will attempt to be successful by selling the products. And that's the best way to be successful in any type of business.
I wish you nothing but the best.

Brian   Phoenix

12:53pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

Shari, great comeback! Way to show all people considering Amway/Quixtar that you guys/gals have factual statistics and positive things to say about the business, instead of just insulting people who have a differing opinion than you.

Anonymous who said -- "The only true reason a person in Amway/Quixtar would end up in debt, is because they didn't do what they were mentored to do.
Duh."

That statement is absolutely FALSE! Why not read Eric Scheibeler's book "Merchants of Deception"? That man was a Founders Emerald in The Amway "business" and in his best year, he made 34K GROSS. He ended up claiming bankruptcy even though he did EVERYTHING his mentors said.

There is NO WAY, that 99.9% of IBO's fail and 66% drop out each year, because they don't do what they're told to do. In essence you're saying that for every 14,000 people only 1 does everything their upline tells them to do?

Since I must've had, at least, 10 people get on my case about my facts on this blog, you 10 people, or so, must be doing EVERYTHING your upline tells you to, therefore, there is 139,990 IBO's who aren't doing what they're told for you 10 that are. Sorry, I'm not buying that.

You can be told how to hit a 95MPH fastball, doesn't mean you can actually do it. You can be told how to run a 4.3, 40 yard dash. Doesn't mean you can actually do it.

For every ONE person that makes The Diamond level, 13,999 people will fall short. Facts are facts, and they are undisputible.

Brian   Phoenix

12:43pm on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

I'm so happy to see my voice is being heard and I'm being hated upon for my own beliefs. And since those beliefs are in conflict with people like "Brain from Phoenix hater" (if that name isn't negative I don't know is) I must be wrong or my thinking process is skewed.

Fact is you don't know anything about me mr. hater, therefore you can hate my opinions but to say you hate me as a person is downright ridiculous and uncalled for. I don't hate IBO's who try to make it in Quixtar/Amway and I wish them nothing but the best in their quest for financial stability.

My facts are NOT false. They can be found in any Quixtar plan book (or whatever they're called) it's in small print at the bottom of the pages.
Now if my facts are false, why don't you give me a link to prove me wrong? If you can't provide a link or website that contradicts my statistics than you're really doing nothing but blowing hot air.

You speak of my negativity, yet instead of posting something positive about the Quixtar/Amway "business" in your post, you do nothing but attack me. Amazing how all IBO's, when faced with a conflict attack the person and their dreams, goals, finances or way of thinking, instead of mentioning the, so called, many positives about the "business"

IBO's are, indeed, trained to speak, act and think a certain way. That's why most of them respond like you did to the criticism of the Amway/Quixtar "business".
As far as the "negative thinking" goes, just because somebody doesn't agree with your beliefs doesn't mean they're a "negative thinker" by any means.

I'm not here to try to change the opinions of IBO's who read this blog. My purpose here is to give accurate facts about the Quixtar/Amway "business" and the tactics used by IBO's to "recruit" people who may be on the fence and taking time to make a decision.

About me being "trained" to think a certain way, HAHA! I'll admit, I thought that was one of the funniest things I've ever heard somebody say.
Exactly how am I trained to think a certain way Mr. Hater? I don't listen to motivational tapes, pay hundreds of dollars to listen to speakers, nor do I attend weekly meetings, which have nothing to do with actually marketing Amway/Quixtar products, and everything to do with how to answer tough questions.

If my blogging is getting old and tiring, why waste time with a, hate laden, response to my thoughts and opinions on a "business" that I find both, ethically and morally questionable?

Maybe next time you respond to a "critic" who disagrees with your opinions, instead of just, bashing and hating on the person whom you disagree with, you can have a mature, educated response as to why my opinions are wrong.

Your response, only strengthens my case against IBO's involved in the Amway/Quixtar business. Like I've said many times on here, why would anyone want to be involved with people who hate everyone who has a differing opinion on Amway/Quixtar? You're response to me is in the majority of IBO's who just, simply get pissed off, because deep down, inside, they know I have many strong points and factual statistics that they can't argue, therefore they just call, people like me, "negative" "dream killer" "broke" or "employed" "slave" etc etc etc.

Why is it you all use the same words when trying to debate the Amway/Quixtar "business"? It's like none of you actually have an original thought. Tell me you're not programmed to think and act a certain way when faced with a conflict.

Of course If we don't believe Amway/Quixtar is the holy grail of financial success, there must be something wrong with the way we think. If you ask me, you're the one who's thinking is backwards. All IBO's who have bashed me on this blog have essentially said the same exact thing to me. All the assumptions you make of me, couldn't be farther from the truth. You have no idea what kind of person I am, and if you can tell what kind of life I lead, or the way I think because of my criticism of Amway/Quixtar, then you should be a psychic.

Don't question my dreams and goals, Mr. Hater. You have no idea what I've accomplished, and continue to accomplish in my life. You have no idea what my dreams and goals are, nor do you know whether I've already accomplished them or not.

Like I've said before, I'm simply here to lend my opinions about The Amway/Quixtar "business" to those who may be trying to make an educated decision on the matter, of whether to join or not. If you don't like what I have to say, just ignore me, especially if my facts are "false" as you say they are.

Thank you for your hate laden response, to me and naming your screen name afte me. I'm happy to see how obsessed you are with me, that you'd take the time to make a screen name strictly devoted to hating me for speaking my opinions.
Like I said before, your response only strengthens my case.

shari   sunny california

9:10am on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

who else here hates negative people?

Anonymous   Location unknown

9:09am on Friday, February 29th, 2008

The only true reason a person in Amway/Quixtar would end up in debt, is because they didn't do what they were mentored to do.
Duh.

Brian from Phoenix Hater...Oh wait, I sh   Location unknown

9:05am on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

Brian from Phoenix, your "facts" and "statistics" are false and incorrect so stop trying to force others believe them. Have you performed experiments to classify your findings? No, so don't falsify something you know nothing about. Have you actually ever seen this business or tried it? You haven't seen it, until you have seen it. So please, for God's sake and for the other IBO's who are working so hard, stop blogging so much negativity. It's getting old. A true IBO will never believe the incorrect information you are constantly, every single day, writing in this silly little blog. What is your mission in life? To make every IBO or every person interested in becoming a future IBO, believe that Quixtar/Amway is horrible?? That's a very very poor dream Mr. Brian from Phoenix. My suggestion, go find a new dream and while you're at it, find a new blog because the normal people who visit this blog each day, are becoming aware of your seemingly negative attitude. One more thing, for every time that you say in your entries, that it is nothing more than "IBO and Sketched Talk", and you say us IBO's are only TRAINED to speak and act that way? Well think about how you were trained to act and think the way you do. Most likely you retracted that from your place of employment. Whether Quixtar or Amway is a poor business (which it isn't) a person in Quixtar or Amway has more values. And I'm not saying anyone with a Quixtar business is better than that of a person without a Quixtar business, but just take a second and compare the vaules, goals and mind sets. Think, before you speak.

Brian   Phoenix

7:38am on Friday, February 29th, 2008 

Ben, first of all, if you own a McDonalds you have a storefront and a location to sell your products to the open public. You are not granted that in Quixtar. You're pretty much a door to door salesman.
Secondly, only 3.4% of Quixtar products are actually sold to RETAIL customers. To compare that to a McDonald's franchise, that would be like a McDonald's owner consuming 96.6% of his own products. There is NO WAY any business owner could make money consuming 96.6% of his/her products. Then again, it's never been about the products in Amway/Quixtar. It's always about the "dream" and nothing to do with the business.

In those open meetings the speakers NEVER discuss how to market, the overpriced, products. They just show you a video and then talk about all the money you can make by recruiting other IBO's and teaching them how to "buy from yourself" or "change your buying habits"

You speak about fighting long lines and traffic. OK, first of all, I'm pretty sure you have to fill your car up with gasoline at one time or another. So you're thirsty as you're filling your car up. Are you telling me it's not a convenience to have a little store there where you can not only fill up your car with gasoline but you can grab something to eat or drink while you do so?

Also, I've never encountered long lines in a convenience store. Since people only shop there for a few items, at most, even if there is a line, it moves incredibly quick.
Not to mention, you'd have to go out to get things like milk, cheese, bread etc, anyway, so why not pick everything else up that you need while you're out?

Now if you want to talk about convenience, if I run out of toilet paper, or something that I need, is it more convenient for me to go 2 minutes down the street to a store and buy it immediately, or is it more convenient for me to place an order and wait 2-5 days to receive it?

There is a reason so many people don't succeed in the Amway/Quixtar "business" and it has much more to do with the 2 drawbacks you mentioned above.

Raymond Eiker   Portland, OR

11:07pm on Thursday, February 28th, 2008 

I can't give Quixtar or Amway a full 5 star rating. Part of this is because I can understand and comprehend the difficulties of 'working' for a company like this.

Here's a little personal history:
I literally just started my 'own business' through Quixtar on Valentine's Day. However, I can't call it my own, even though I've been 'given' the title of IBO. It's almost the end of the month, and I technically have yet to make a sale.

I don't expect to make money off my online store. However, I do intend to use this opportunity to build a stronger work ethic, better self-discipline, and hopefully use whatever income I do make from this OPPORTUNITY to eventually start my own business.

The reason that this business is so 'simple and easy' to start is the simple FACT that the IBO's involved with Amway and Quixtar is there are virtually no cumulative overhead costs. The only money I'm paying is the initial $150 to become a part of the online market, and the $50 a month to pay for the web server space I would have to pay if I wanted my own personal site.

I'm currently 23, in my 2nd term at Portland Community College(because it's cheaper than a 4-year institution), and I technically consider myself unemployed. I spent the majority of the last 5 years, literally living out of a backpack under a bridge. Why? Not because I'm lazy, but because the right opportunities, the wisest opportunities, did not present themselves. I'm not religious, but I leave my life in God's hands.

The overall unemployment rate is insane BECAUSE of the market moving and advancing with technology. Jobs are becoming scarce because human bodies are being replaced with more efficient MACHINES! Personally, I don't want to be replaced my the machine, I want to be responsible for making sure that machine works and does its job appropriately.

In all honesty, I don't care about the numbers. If it's not successful, it's because I am a poor business 'owner'. I've spent the majority of my employment as an entry-level customer service representative. I've been told by friends and family that I could sell SALT-water to a FRESH-water fish. If that is true, why can't I do door-to-door sales, but I but I feel comfortable spending a few minutes talking to a potential customer to my site?

This posting certainly does not knock on anyone's beliefs, choice of employment, or journey in their own life. I'm not going to sit here and talk poorly about other posters' grammar or punctuation. I merely want to provide another, alternate way to look at the Quixtar/Amway company.

Good example. One of my fellow students has heard about Amway, and when I, up-front, mentioned the Amway name, it suddenly changed to me talking to a brick wall. I expect people to be prejudiced, wary, and skeptical of the Amway name. I told my Dad that I was about to start working for a company, and he asked if it was a MLM. I told him I didn't know, but I would find out.

As far as I can tell, despite what research and fact says, Quixtar/Amway is not MLM, or "Pyramid" schemed. Instead it is a market that is transferring from 'door-to-door' to online. I know for a FACT that the BBB will NOT endorse a business, nor will they allow their label to be placed on a business website, unless they pass every single little, tiny, miniscule hoop that can be thrown.

I have no points to argue in either direction. I agree with Brian, and I agree with the IBOs(just not the ignorant ones). Both have made good points as to why you should, and why you shouldn't. I don't need to regurgitate facts that have already been put in place. Instead, I will add new ones to the fire.

I hope that everyone reading this will not take it to heart, but do their own research!

Ray

Ben   Mpls

3:07pm on Thursday, February 28th, 2008 

Just a comment on the review above. The two (2) criticisms, I would stipulate, are without merit.

First, not having unlimited advertising access with the Quixtar website and affiliate websites is not a negative. It is, in fact, no different than what any franchise company does with its independent owners. If I own my own McDonald's, I don't purchase my own commercials or advertise on my own means. The McDonald's corporation does that for me (because they have the best interest of EVERY franchise in mind and needs to control the quality of advertising). Quixtar acts as the "parent company" in the same way.

Second, depending upon how much stuff your downline purchases is, again, no different from any franchise model. If I own several franchises, my income depends upon the volume of products or services running through that business. As far as missing out on the "convenience" of real stores...are you kidding me?? Since when is standing in long lines and fighting traffic in a store convenient? The only "convenience" that could be referred to is the ability to buy at an impulse. Any consumer can be shown how to simply adjust the way they buy products so that purchasing online can become MORE convenient than ever going to a store.

If these are the two "secrets my upline doesn't want me to know" and the "serious drawbacks" to Quixtar, sign me up again!! :)

Brian   Phoenix

1:39pm on Thursday, February 28th, 2008 

Brian from NY, it's almost impossible to read your incredibly, long, run on sentences and one paragraph.
You say there are no guarantees in Quixtar/Amway, yet in the same paragraph you say you're going Diamond in 2 years? Is that guaranteed?

You also mention how you buy TV's from Circuit City. Do you do that every month? You mention energy drinks. Do people really need to drink that stuff? Are those a necessity in everyday life?

You talk, of laziness and the obesity problem all over the world. And yes, especially here in The USA we have an incredible obesity problem because not only do people not exercise, they don't eat correctly either. With all of the fast food operations all over the country, people eat Big Mac's, Whoppers, pizza, etc etc etc, still, what does one have to do with the other?

You talked about your friend hating Donald Trump, a lot of people don't like Mr. Trump and it has nothing to do with his money, it has to do with his ethics.

I know that the tapes and speakers you listen to in Amway/Quixtar will have you believe everyone is jealous of people with money, but that's not true of everyone. You never did answer my question as to how much money you spend on books, taped, CD's, rallies, and mothly seminars.

Also, you never addressed the issue on the "residual income" you speak of. If you think just because you get to a certain level, you'll stay there forever, you're sorely mistaken.

Facts are facts; .4% (1 in 240) of IBO's will go Platinum
- .001% (1 in 14,000) will go Diamond
- average GROSS for "ACTIVE" IBO's is $115 a month
- 66% of IBO's were found to be active (which means they made a purchase or attended a meeting in the past year)
- The average income for all IBO's (including inactive) is $75 a month GROSS
- 66% of IBO's drop out each year.

Granted, not everybody will do the work it takes to be successful, but certainly the percentages are not in your favor, even if you do.
You mentioned the gym earlier. There are people who go to my gym and just walk around, talk on their cell phone, walk on the treadmill at 1MPH and then they don't see results and wonder why. Obviously because they didn't do the work it takes to succeed. You can't just go to a gym and expect to lose 60Lbs in a month just because you show up.
However, people who do the work necessary to get in shape or lose weight will do so, GUARANTEED. Even if somebody does EVERYTHING they're told to do in Amway, you said it yourself, there are NO GUARANTEES. There are many, many hard working people who did everything that they were told to succeed in Amway/Quixtar and they ended up in debt because of it.

If you truly own your own business, you'd be allowed to do what you wish with your products, sell them wherever you want. You can't do that in Amway/Quixtar. All you really are is a glorified salesperson, you're certainly not a business owner.

brian   ny

9:26am on Thursday, February 28th, 2008 

call me when they change their name back to amway you guys know nothing that will never happen. Listen let me ask you something you want to keep your so called job which you are owned by basically what is wrong with doing this and making some extra cash on the side like 1000 a month in this business you dont have to get rich in this to be a little happier in life maybe that 1000 will pay off a bill so get real. The problem we face in life is most people get attracted to people who have no ambition in life this is how i feel i put things down on a vision board and so far almost everything has come true for me yes i did work for it but it has happened if you truly want something bad enough youll get it or basically be a quitter but then try getting back on your feet and doing something about it. Most people are quite frankly lazy thats why we have an obese problem all over the world. Thank God im fit although we all have problems but i know if i go to the gym 5 times a week i make the effort to do something about myself if i tend to go over 180lbs which i am. Bottom line is this business really did they say it was a guarantee nope did they say that it is an opportunity im not saying its for everyone honestly for me it is and i know where i am going straight up to residual income diamond level in 2 years because i am going to work for it and make it happen its all about your mind and doing what is necessary to make your goals a reality. The problem is people are jealous of others success lets face it i have a friend who hates donald trump please why because he is so rich and they are so jealous of peoples success id rather be someone positive and rich then broke and negative. If you use your mind in life you can get somewhere who invented electricity or invented the poland spring water bottle concept was it just luck please that they are successful. They tell you when your young your parents go to college get your masters and get a job get real a job in life will not get you anywhere because you will live on linear income for the rest of your life living paycheck to paycheck. I laugh at this 1 guy who said he is a cop who made 100k last year i said really thats gross income how much did you actually take home try 65k net maybe what kind of future is this money wise maybe he likes this career but to risk your life everyday and work 50 hours a week i guess for him its ok. Isnt it better to be in a business which will give you residual income i know my check comes every15th of the month all the time how much you put into it is what you will get out of it if your lazy then you will be a failure because you wont get to the next level. People are brainwashed into thinking that by working for an employer and getting araise will get you somewhee in life please thats funny actually. The problem is everyone looks at the average ibo why do you have to be average why think like this i dont look at the 97% of the people that fail in this business i look at the 3% which i will be in that does. I laugh at something else to they say we spend 400 a month buying products for myself hello wake up maybe if you had some knowledge youd know although some people really dont have a brain youll realize what products i buy toothpaste cereal tvs from circuit city books from barnes and noble oreo cookies everything the store has i get from them as far as energy drinks what energy drink example red bull which has so much calories and carbs in it has no carbs no sugar and 8 calories hello but getting back to the way we change our shopping. You can be a customer as well which i now have over 46 which purchase items from stores like barnes and noble circuit city just like they would if they went there themselves and it generates some money for me as well. The only scam in life is working for an employer for 40 years getting a pension and living life broke do you want to be one of those i know where im going straight to the top and nothing is going to stop me especially negative people in this world who dont have a clue to what life is about

Brian   Phoenix

9:00am on Thursday, February 28th, 2008 

Ok, Brian, from NY, you keep saying I know nothing about the Quixtar/Amway business. How do you know? You have no clue as to what I know or don't know about the Quixtar/Amway business.
You also assume that I have an employer, what's to say I don't own my own business?

Your facts about 3% making it are false. Quixtar's own numbers are this .4% (1 in 240) will ever make the Platinum level. The Diamond numbers are .001% (1 in 14,000).
Not very good odds. Also, you mention going Ruby and making 150K net (which is false). Although it was a few years ago, a man by the name of Eric Scheibeler went Founders Emerald and in his BEST year he made only 34K net. You also mention residual income, and again that staement is misleading. Just because you reach a certain level doesn't mean you'll stay there. If you have people drop out underneath you (and 66% of IBO's drop out each year) and you don't maintain your volume, you don't see the same paycheck and you don't retain your Ruby, Platinum, Emerald or Diamond status just because you make it there one month.

You mentioned companies like Circuit City, Barnes & Nobles, Office Max etc. They don't "endorse" Amway. They allow Amway to sell their products on their website, all that means is more money for those companies.

You also mention $6 for a weekly meeting. What about the monthly meetings? The seminars? The rallies? Books and tapes? What does all of that cost you?
You mention products, like toothpaste. First of all, Glister toothpaste (at $5 a tube) isn't even recommended by the ADA. If I'm going to trust my teeth to a tootpaste, I want an ADA recommendation.
Also, The Amway products are extremely overpriced. Why would anyone want to pay $9.60 for a 10.5oz bottle of Amway shampoo when they can get a 25.4oz bottle of Suave for $5.49? Because they get a tiny percentage kickback? If you take a multi-vitamin you can get a 6 month supply of Centrum for $13.99 or a 1 month supply of Double X for $50.00. The meal replacement and protein bars are less quantity and twice the price of Protein bars and shakes made by EAS or Power Bar.

The biggest problem with The Amway business is the price of the products and the fact that a "prospect" is NEVER told to sell the products, they're told to sell the dream.

You're right, Amway isn't for everyone, in fact it's not for 99.9% of people. If this was truly a great business opportunity, there would be a much higher success rate, and while some people don't do what's required of them to succeed I doubt less than 1% of them are the only ones doing what it takes to succeed.
Read Eric Scheibeler's book "Merchants of Deception". I'm pretty sure he knows all about the business and he made it to a level which many, many distributors don't even come close to.

One other thing. Haven't you noticed a lot of Diamonds are leaving the "business" if there was such a thing as "residual income" in this "business" why wouldn't they just sit back and collect the checks? Why would they just up and leave the "business" and all of that money?

brian   nyc

5:54am on Thursday, February 28th, 2008 

i just have 1 more thing to say about this business and that is why would companies like dell,microsoft, ibm, barnes and noble, sports authority, models work with us if we were so bad i guess they are stupids according to you brian from phenoix. Listen in life not everyone makes it in whatever profession there in its all about your mind and how bad you want it and thats the facts if you want something to work bad enough it will and you will kepp working on it until you get it the problem is people quit in life because they cant handle it i never said everyone is successful i know many that did well and others that didnt. If this business is really that bad why would these companties spend millions of dollars hello people need to wake up. I see the checks every 15th which is real yes i do work for it but the difference is it can be residual income where a job in corporate america you can get laid off at any time fired at any time and under each person which is called a pyramid and if you dont see this well i dont know what to say to you then. Listen im not saying working in corporate america is bad all i am saying is for me i dont want to work 40-50 hours a week making enough money to just get by in life at least with this business i put in a good 15-20 hours a week wake up when i want not ordered to do anything and at the mercy of an employer as to when i can get off for a day. I can make my own vacations etccc. We are going to advertise in 2010 The funny thing is just because you or someone else didnt do well doesnt mean other cannot so it would be nice if people who didnt make it or are negative would just go back to their jobs in life and then if they are happy great if not well give us a try although really it is not for everyone to be honest. I think what happens is that you got involved at one point and didnt do anything to generate volume in your business got frusterated and gave up. Maybe you werent guided by the right people that would truly work with you I have someone that is bringing me to the next level I am just happy that i wont have to work until what the retirement age is now going to be 72 down the road with no social security by 2041. If there is a recession who gets hurt not me my business will still keep going while others will lose their jobs and be on the unemplyment line. Maybe you let your negative friends and familt take control of your life and tell you that you are dumb if you get involved with quixtar because you will get nowhere and never be wealthy resulting in your losing hope and your dreams for your future. You can't let negative people take away your dreams. They are not the ones who really are going to pay all your bills or support your family. Another question i have at your current job do they pay you enough to retire young and give you permanent expenetial income if so great but if not but i can answer this for you NO THEY DONT. I dont have to anymore deal with the stress of being in debt or if i have enough money to pay my bills each month or possibly being laid off from work thank God. However you do though unless you have something where you have your own business there is no comparison as to having your own business or living check by check in a job working for an employer please. I am making my future stress free with in a matter of what 2-3 more years where you will or someothers will have to deal with it for the rest of your life. Some people when they still work for a job will be working until they can retire which will be at least 70 or more while i will be flying around the world and enjoying every minute of life its all about what path you wish to go. Its ok though the world really does need broke people to keep on working and provide services for the wealthy. I will end with good luck and hope whatever you do in life you are happy with

brian   ny

7:19pm on Wednesday, February 27th, 2008 

remember no one says its a guarantee and i laugh when people say its amway really i have seen the checks these people get because i am friends with a few of them its true only 3% make it in this business but why cant you be 1 of them are people so negative they feel in their mind they cant. I just know working in a job for an employer will get you nowhere in life just average which is ok but i for 1 dont want to be average. Does everyone want to be a police officer in the world or firefighter everyone chooses different fields no oene puts a gun to your head. I will tell you for a mere $144.00 to start a business you cant go wrong and besides the meetings for me cost like what 6 dollars each time please. If anything else you do get to meet some new friends even if they dont make it. I do truly apologize for calling people losers and slaves but really in life you kind of are to a boss in a business unless of course you quit. I am not saying everyone makes money i know some who make very little i do ok but i do have a real job in life making good money i havent quit my job yet but when i go diamond which i will truly i have nothing to prove to anyone to each his own. As for why not everyone does this well simply put not everyone knows about it and sometimes certain things are not right for everyone. I know alot of people that give up in life which is called a quitter which i want no part of. I dont surround myself with negative people because they only bring you down in life try staying with positive people and see what happens. No one said life was easy and we make no guarantees in this business. I laugh when they say we are changing our name there are so many disgruntled people in the world which is a shame. I hope whatever you do brian from phenoix works for you this works for me whether you believe it or not im no diamond but getting to be a ruby which gives me a set income of at least 150k and over net which in my job now dont make and i work alot more hours. In this business i have 22 people sponsored as well as a dentist and doctor. Maybe they wont make it i dont know but i know i am because the truth is all you are really doing is changing the way you shop. Really big deal if you buy a different toothpaste if you are going to get paid for it. I buy the same things in the store anyway and get nothing in return its called a win win deal which alot of people no nothing about. If i buy a tv in circuit city in the store what do iget nada here i get points to my business which makes me money thats all i have to say in ebay what do you get when you get an item there back its called nothing you will see us 2010 jan 1 on tv they have said and besides we are funded by the ftc and people have tried to make us look bad for years. I laugh also at comments about amway because people actually did make money there not alot but some

brian   ny

6:59pm on Wednesday, February 27th, 2008 

well here is how i look at life brian from phoenix it is a fact you wont get anywhere by working for an employer and if you truly believe that i feel sorry for you. Yes maybe what i said was a bit out of line but its funny how people knock a business they truly know nothing about and to be honest i know i am doing well in this business and i truly dont care what you think. If you want to work for an employer the rest of your life go ahead but realize you wont ge anywhere because the true pyramid is when you work in a job for an employer because you will never make a ceo levels income. This business i dont need to answer lol to anyone i do apologize for calling people slaves or losers totally out of line but i will truly say this business works for the right people. Not everyone wants to work in a job for the rest of their life. I used to work in a job for a while but realized there is no life. It works if you do the work thats the facts. The people that dont do well in this business for 1 thing dont do everything they say or dont know how to talk to people. I am doing quite well and i find it funny that if you go to google or microsoft the negative pages outway quixtar by many. Some people didnt do well in this business and well thats them i know i will be a ruby very shortly and the money it has made me so far will turn to residual income that a job can never ever give you. I think owning any business for yourself is the way to go although you still have to work hard. The problem is there are alot more negative people in the world then positive. How is it amway when you have 800 companies that are associated with them like barnes and noble circuit city and offcie depot you guys need to get your facts straight. How is it that the ceo of these companies endorse us you keep saying amway but they didnt have these things back then. The only thing that is a scam is in your head lol

Brian   Phoenix

10:05am on Wednesday, February 27th, 2008 

Again, anyone on the fence about ths "business" I want you to read Brian's (From NY) comments. Look at how he calls people, slaves, losers, closed minded etc etc etc. I find it simply amazing how an IBO can't hold a debate without the name calling.
Every single IBO response is similar because it's been programmed into their minds. They speak of being open minded but it's obvious by their comments that they are anything but. I wonder if they even know what closed-minded means. Pretty obvious when you assume everyone not involved with Quixtar is a "slave", "loser" "closed-minded" "dream killer" "negative thinker" etc etc etc, is about as closed-minded as it gets.

Sorry to break it to you Brian (from NY) but to say you don't have someone to answer to in the "business" is false. You have an upline to answer to. If you truly own your own business, why not open a store and sell your Quixtar products? Why not sell some on EBAY? Why not talk to every owner of a gas station or corner store and try to get a display or a cooler? Oh yeah, that's right, because you can't.

The FTC has fined Amway numerous times over the years, and as far as the BBB goes, they have no say as to the legality of a business.
You're making a killing in Quixtar/Amway with 4 of your friends? Good for you. You'd think you'd be a happier person if that were true. If you were truly successful, you wouldn't have to call people names to prove your point. Sorry to say, but I, for one, certainly don't believe your false claims of income.

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brian   nyc

10:11pm on Tuesday, February 26th, 2008 

its funny how people can badmouth a business they know nothing about. In life there are losers and winners this is a win win concept i have 4 friends that are making a killing in quixtar. You have to understand most people in life are either negative or close minded and would rather work as a slave in a job for the rest of their sorry life going nowhere. Your job in life working for an employer is a pyramid because lets face it you will never make what the ceo of a company makes so in life there is only one way to make money and that is be a business owner which i can happily say i am and doing quite well. I was tired of working for an employer being told what to do when to leave yelled at and going really no where making a average income with an average life until i was introduced to this business by a good friend and because of him my wife and i are in great shape financially that no job will ever give me the financial freedom i now have no more alarm clocks just work part time in this business and loving every minute of it seeing my closeminded friends working in a job 40-50 hours a week and myself working maybe 15 hours making 3 times as much so whoever says this business is no good needs to get their sorry head examined its called a win win concept its too bad most people just dont see it because their mind is clogged with negative energy and talk to people who are negative like them having no real life. Quixtar rules and changed my life and besides pyramids are illegal and we are funded by the federal trade commission and better business bureau. let me know how you do when you work lol for an employee for the next 50 years i will be the last one laughing to the bank

Anonymous   Location unknown

10:35am on Monday, February 25th, 2008

Like I commented earlier about being puppets ... if you are an IBO, look at some of your responses? How many of them are things you have heard from your upline? Ways you're "supposed" to handle "these" sort of issues.

Anonymous   Location unknown

6:11pm on Friday, February 22nd, 2008

Unfortunately, it's the "true believers" that keep companies like this going...people that are so knee deep into it and think that it really makes them somebody...the deeper question is...what exactly are you doing...selling "Stuff"? Is that what we're all so passoinate about here? You can't seriously be defending this on a moral level...you're selling people crap to earn some money...

Sean   Colorado

11:34am on Friday, February 22nd, 2008 

Hello fellow bloggers,

I was with this company when it was Amway way back up until it split off into Quixtar. You name it I did it with Amway. Before I start, don't knock these companies. They are legit companies and you can make money with them. I have lived and traveled with the people who do have the Amway/Quixtar lifestyle and it is as real as it gets but you have to understand what it took to get them where they are.

Pay attention to the original review by Steve Albright. These companies will work but it is true what Steve says. "Quixtar has severe limits on your freedom to advertise your website online." You must follow and follow the system down to the "T." I was a visionary way before Quixtar was alive and had my own ways to market Quixtar when it came out but you just can't do it. Their method not the system is out-dated. The system works but the methods by which they use cannot work effectively in this day and age.

From reading all these blogs, it seems that there are a lot of emotions here. I encourage you to go back to the original review and read it carefully. It paints a pretty clear picture of what to expect. I am a 10yr veteran of Amway retired. Not the kind of financially retired you think but I was there for over 10yrs hanging on to the hopes and dreams. Don't believe me, I'll even supply my personal email here and anyone is welcomed to email me for a real un-bias explanation of the business. I am not an IBO anymore and haven't been for almost 10yrs now so you don't have to worry about me trying to sign you up. I do however still have personal connections to those who are doing well in the business. xcvang@inbox.com

Brian   Phoenix

8:01am on Thursday, February 21st, 2008 

Another IBO- It's nice that you make $400 a month gross, but how much do you net after expenses, I.E tapes, CD's seminars, meetings, functions etc etc etc.
I've heard the college texts compared to Quixtar books, tapes, CD's etc and I have to laugh. I really do. There is NO comparison between the two.

While college books, do cost a lot of money, they deal with specifics that will help you become more educated in the field you wish to pursue. With Quixtar/Amway's books, CD's and tapes, they don't help you do anything. All they do, is give you motivation to do it. They don't speak of products or how to market them. All they do is give you a rags to riches story, or tell you how successful you can be.
If this "business" was so great, why would somebody need to be so motivated to get out and build it? Could it be that these big pins know, they could not retire on The Amway business itself? Could it be they know the statistics? I'm sure they do.

Also, college's will give aid to those less fortunate, which helps pay for tuition, books and such, or college's also give scholarships tp students who earn great grades, or excel in athletic activities. Does Quixtar give financial aid? Will Quixtar pay for books, tapes, and seminars?

I worked for a company, years ago, in which I had to travel to meetings. Not ONCE did I have to pay anything out of pocket. My flights were paid for, my room and board were paid for, my meals were paid for, and I also got paid for my time.
Now in Quixtar/Amway, you have to pay to go to these meetings? You have to pay for your own room and board? You have to pay for your meals? What kind of company is this?

Oh wait, I forgot, you own your own "business" and these are write offs. Well, I started my own business years ago, and I've never had to listen to, nor go to see a motivational speaker to succeed in my business. I can advertise on the radio, television, or newspaper. I can sell my products in the mall, online, in my own store etc.
Why? Because I own my own business.

If you really own, your own business in Quixtar then you should be able to set up a kiosk in a mall, you should be able to advertise your products in the newspaper, on the radio or on TV. You should be able to market your products on Ebay, in a corner store, or in a supermarket.

Facts are, as a "business owner" your supplier, certainly has an awful lot to say as to what you can do with it, and to me, that sounds an awful lot like a supervisor or boss.

Everyone speaks of Quixtar/Amway as if they have their own say, they make their own hours and they can do what they want. That couldn't be farther from the truth. You have to be at this meeting, this seminar, this rally, function, etc etc., at this time. They're not about to work around your schedule. So what if your sons birthday is on that day, if there's a meeting you have to be there.
Oh sure, you're not forced to be there, pressured? Yes. But forced? No. Of course everyone will tell you you're not a team player, and they'll look down upon you for not taking the "core" steps.
Sure, buying CD's, tapes, books and going to all of those meetings and such is "optional", but as a big pin once said, and I'll end it with this, "Tools are optional, but so is success".

Another IBO   Georgia

8:54pm on Wednesday, February 20th, 2008 

It's amazing all of the blogs you can find about quixtar. What most people fail to realize is, this is a business. A real simple one if you ask me. Everybody complains about the tapes/cds. But hardly anybody complains about the text books for college they must purchase in order to learn their subject of study. Nobody is forced to purchase anything in this business. Nobody guarantees you anything in this business. You can sell stuff, which my wife does with the cosmetics or you can find other people to join, which i do on occassion. Either way it goes, we're making money. No I'm not finacially free, but we do earn about $400/month which is more than enough to fund my business. I have downlines who earn more than I do, which is great for them. Point is, it is a business. My question to you is, with your current job or business you own, do you see yourself ever being finacially free doing it? I really don't see myself making hundreds of thousands or millions through quixtar, but I know the business works and the money I am recieving now is alot easier to earn than starting up a traditional business. Their products are great in my opinion and my little $400 check does wonders to help my wife and expand our business. It's a business people. Maybe you all should spend more time starting a business of your own instead of criticizing quixtar. You'll probably make some money. GOOD LUCK!!!

Michael   Seattle

8:35pm on Wednesday, February 20th, 2008 

I'm an accountant that recently returned to school full-time to pursue a degree in a different area. As a part-time job, I started working at a tax-preparing franchise here in Seattle. In less than a week, I got 6 people whose "business" was Quixtar and they were writing off their losses. I felt sorry for them, motivational purchases in the hundreds, one person traveled 60 miles twice a week to meetings, expenses to go to seminars and "sales meetings". ALL of them had no income from their business...not a penny. When I questioned them about any payments they received, they all said, they had not received any yet, but they will soon. The worst one had $3,500 in expenses and no income. One said that Quixtar was her full-time job, yet she hadn't earned a penny. Someone needs to put a stop to this company.

K. W.   Phx

7:39pm on Wednesday, February 20th, 2008 

You guys are all knocking on Quixtar, but tell you what, type "[your company's name] sucks" into google, see what you get = )

Brian   Phoenix

11:24am on Wednesday, February 20th, 2008 

Charlotte, I'm happy to hear you did your research on the matter before you joined, based solely on the hype that they presented to you in the meeting.
Most people just jump right in with both feet without testing the water first, and they soon regret it but it's too late by the time they realize it.

As for you "anonymous", again, I just want everyone to look at that persons comment and realize that this is the attitude of most, not all, IBO's. Their cocky, arrogant, better than all attitude, is what you'd have to deal with on a regular basis. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to that type of treatment?

Anonymous   Location unknown

8:45am on Wednesday, February 20th, 2008

You all have the mentality that you do, because you are slaves. Face it.

LP   Charlotte

11:19pm on Tuesday, February 19th, 2008

I just was introduced to Quixtar by a friend and went to a meeting yesterday. It sounded like a scam and to good to be true untill today when I had my followup and they showed me the product and went more into detail. I was thinking about the sales aspect and how this might actually work so they gave me reading material... lots of it. and on the first page of one of the pamplets it says... that in 1999 Amway created Quixtar... and in 2009 Quixtar will be rebranded to align with amway. So I started to research Quixtar, Amway and LTD another name I heard them use. And let me tell you I am so glad I did. I was about to go for it thinking that even if I made the $500 extra a month, that I could use it. I learned thru the FTC that avg. per month is only $115 for active members. And that 66% of IBO drop out within the ther first year. Taught me an important lesson.... ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS do your homework. Now, I am just worried about my friend, I guess all I can do is give her the materials I printed out, let her make her own decision, and hope shes not in to deep.

Brian   Phoenix

2:52pm on Tuesday, February 19th, 2008 

I agree with you John. I know it's a waste of time trying to reason with IBO's who are "under the influence" as I like to say. My main reason for posting here, is just in case anyone is on the fence about joining Quixtar/Amway, I want them to see the facts, not just what his/her prospective "recruiter" tells them is true.

I just want people to see both sides of the story, and I'll also agree with you on the fact that I've never met a successful IBO either.
A friend of mine, well he was a friend, he doesn't speak to me anymore because I don't believe in Quixtar/Amway, again that's his upline's doing, but anyway, he was the most successful IBO I've known, and he made about $600 a month GROSS. After all the expenses and taxes he probably made close to $200 a month net (and that doesn't include buying overpriced products for his "business")

john   california

9:01pm on Monday, February 18th, 2008 

Brian,

you're wasting your time trying to reason with unreasonable people. You're right, no one has thrown any numbers out on how much they make and how long they've been doing what they're doing. I just got home from a quixtar presentation and have decided to do a little research. I am a banker, I make 55k a year, I deal with the general masses and NO ONE can lie to me or convince me with cheesy lines on the success of what their doing. Why? because I get to see their goddamn accounts for crying out loud. I get people coming in to my desk and telling me I need to look in to this business b/c its off the hook and they come with lines like "what do we sell? we sell dreams" yada yada, and the whole time I'm looking at their accounts and I'm thinking "dude, you've been doing this for 2 years and you have 12 dollars in your checking account, 3 dollars in your savings account, your retirement plan is non-existant, you've had 13 overdrafts in the past 12 months and your average balance is $200. Facts are facts and they cant be ignored. I have yet to meet a successful quixtar ibo. based on their presentations you are led to believe that its easy, anyone can make tons of money, all you need is drive, passion and it will happen, and that is not the case. I believe you can make it to the top but you cant just be anyone, its like anything, you have to be at the right place, at the right time, you have to be savvy, educated, have an appealing image, give a goddam introduction that could convince people to buy rocks, ect ect.

Brian   Phoenix

11:46am on Friday, February 15th, 2008 

Anonymous. First of all, stop with the name calling and quit typing in caps. First of all, if you're going to call someone "stupid" at least know how to use the words "your, and you're" but obviously you don't.
Regardless, Quixtar is indeed, Amway. That's why withing 12-18 months Quixtar is going to change it's name, back, to Amway in North America. There will be no more Quixtar.
Case in point. Is Bill Britt a member of Quixtar? Do you think EVERYONE involved with Quixtar just joined in 1999 when it was launched? To call somebody "stupid" when you haven't the faintest idea of what you're talking about is quite ridiculous.

As far as the government catching on, the FTC has fined Amway numerous times since 1979. Just because something is not illegal doesn't mean it isn't a scheme.

Brian   Phoenix

8:12am on Friday, February 15th, 2008 

Hey Barry. First of all I'm sorry your son-in-law is caught up in Amway/Quixtar. I know it must be trying on his wife and family. Don't be surprised if his upline tells him to leave his wife if she can't support his goals and dreams. I've heard many stories about husbands and wives who were told, by their upline, "If your wife/husband, girlfriend/boyfriend can't support you, then you should find somebody who does."

I went to an open meeting once and that speaker spoke about Ray Crock (the owner of The McDonalds name) he said that Crock's first wife didn't support his dream (he was selling milkshake machines at the time, I believe) and he left her. His second wife supported him and now, today, she owns The McDonalds name. That's the type of thing these big pins will have you believe. They want to separate you from your friends and family and isolate you until you have nobody left to support you. Then they have you right where they want you, and they can take advantage of your weak mental state.
To answer your question about income levels. I;m not exactly sure what you mean by "first level IBO's"
The average "active" IBO makes $115 a month, before taxes and expenses (I.E the tapes, books, CD's Seminars, Rallies, meetings, and functions etc.) Also, Quixtar/Amway products are completely overpriced. One example Amway shampoo (Santique) is $9.60 for a 10.5oz bottle, where as a bottle of Sauve costs $5.49 for a 25.4oz bottle at Target.

The income level varies. In order to hit certain levels you have to reach a certain amount of performance volume each month, this is called PV. Each product has a certain amount of PV. In order to reach the first level you need to acquire 100PV. At this level you will receive 3% of your bonus volume (BV). Again, each product has a certain amount of BV in it. The average amount of BV needed to reach 100PV is about 250BV or $250 in products (that doesn't include any tapes, tools ,or meetings. It just includes Amway/Quixtar products) at 100PV you will get 3% of your BV. So at 250BV you will get a check for $7.50. Of course if you retail products(which is what you should do to be successful, but you're not taught to) you will get the difference between your cost and retail cost. Example if you sell a box of Double X vitamins at retail($75.00) you would get the differnce of $25 or so, because, last I knew an IBO's cost was around $50.

As your PV increase your BV increases and your percentage goes up. I'm not sure of the breakdown of the levels anymore. I just know the percentage, goes from 3% to 31% the 31% level is reached at 7500PV. In essence, someone would have to have a combination of 75 people doing 100PV ,every month, in order to reach that level. It also depends on how your downline is formed. If only one person is doing all of the volume, you check will be much less, tahn if you have 75 people doing all the volume.

I know this is running long, and it's probably kind of confusing (as is the whole Amway/Quixtar model itself) but that's somewhat of what the income breakdown is.
Just remember the average "ACTIVE" IBO makes $115 before taxes and expenses (The tools, tapes, CD's Seminars, fucntions, rallies, meetings) That's a whopping $2.69 an hour(again before taxes and expenses) if you work the 10 hours a week they say you can work to be successful. That 10 hours includes driving time, showing the plan, and going to meetings. Of course, many IBO's spend much more than only 10 hours doing such things.

As far as the "active" IBO. What that means is an IBO that's attended a meeting, or bought products over the past year. Only 2/3 (66%) of IBO's are found to be active, so if you add the "inactive" IBO's to the average IBO income a month it would be closer to $75 a month.

Sorry, this was so long, but I hope it helped.

Anonymous   Location unknown

7:35am on Friday, February 15th, 2008

QUIXTAR IS NOT AMWAY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! YOUR STUPID IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT! IF THE GOVERNMENT "CAUGHT ON" TO AMWAY'S SECRETS, AND THEN AMWAY JUST SIMPLY CHANGED THEIR NAME TO QUIXTAR...WOULDN'T THE GOVERNMENT BE ON TOP OF THEM? QUIXTAR WOULDN'T BE IN BUSINESS IF IT WERE A SCAM. BRIAN, STOP LYING

Barry   Location unknown

4:15pm on Thursday, February 14th, 2008 

I have a son-in-law caught up in the Quixtar scam. He is exactly the type they want. He is completely brainwashed however my daughter is finally putting pressure on him to get out or risk loosing his family. He spends about $400 per month buying products from himself for himself. They can't afford that! I've been reading a lot about Quixtar but what I can't yet locate is actual financial info. What is the average income of firstline IBOs? Level by level? What is average monthly expense of IBOs? Purchases, meetings, travel, TOOLs?

Brian   Phoenix

12:15pm on Thursday, February 14th, 2008 

Cam, you're lying. You mean to tell me EVERY single person involved with Amway will say it's a good business model? You Guarantee it? Instead of exaggerating why not just say everyone you know that's been in it. That would probably be closer to the truth.
Amway, is NOT a good business model, and Amway is STILL around. It's not like Amway disappeared. Quixtar is Amway in North America. And people that were involved with Amway, years ago had all of their volume transfered to Quixtar.
Anyway, a good business model would insure that everyone was capable of making money. There is NO Guarantee that you will make money in Amway, even if you do everything you're told to do.
It's a LOUSY business model, and it's ethics are questionable as well.

And to Anonymous who says the internet is the future, that's just more tapespeak. Amway has an online website as well, and in 12-18 months Quixtar will be Amway again. Because Amway came under government scrutiny, and had such a poor reputation, in North America, they changed their name to Quixtar. Now since everyone knows Quixtar is Amway, with the same big pins, there's no reason to keep the name "Quixtar" any longer.

Anonymous   Location unknown

10:10am on Thursday, February 14th, 2008

Frank .. I can tell you this. It is a good business model. There are good and bad points to it (as with anything). I considered this a year or two back. I ultimately decided against it. The bottom line is you need to do your "due diligence" and the answers will come. I decided against it for the main reason of losing your identity. (this only applies to the group I was with since I have no reference to others) Eveything is scripted .... you say what you're told, act how they tell you, and become a puppet. I went to a "rally" before really researching the model. Everything everyone said to me was exactly what they were told to. You can't really tell who is genuine or not because it's scripted.

Also, they stress how "free" you become. That was an oxymoron for me. You MUST attend their stuff ... so instead of free, your obligations switch to their interests.

Anyway, that may not have been the most eloquent production since I was rushing to head to lunch, but that's my 2 cents

Anonymous   Location unknown

12:20pm on Wednesday, February 13th, 2008

Exactly...Amway sold products from a catalog, and Quixtar sells products online. The internet is where the future is. Not many years from now, EVERYTHING will be on the internet. How will you jump on board??

Cam   Location unknown

12:19pm on Wednesday, February 13th, 2008 

One more thing to add..so what if Quixtar IS Amway?? What was and is so completely terrible about Amway?? Amways was a HUGE, profitable business, the only reason it isn't around anymore, is because people grew tired of having to deal with the traditional business aspects, such as distributing products, handing out refund checks, and having to order others products for them. The only thing Quixtar did, was learn from the mistakes that were made when creating Amway and form a better, more improved business. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Amway. Ask anyone who was in it and I GUARANTEE you, they will tell you it was not a bad business model. Thank you.

Brian   Phoenix

11:49am on Wednesday, February 13th, 2008 

Frank, Quixtar IS Amway. Quixtar was just Amway's new incarnation, but instead of selling item out of a catalog, you sell them online. Also, it has been confirmed that The Quixtar name will be disbanded over the next 12-18 months and return to, the name, Amway, here in North America.

Quixtar IS North America's Amway.

Just keep doing your research on the matter. Listen to both positive and negative aspects of the "business". As long as you educate yourself on Quixtar/Amway, and not let anyone pressure you into making a snap judgment, I'm sure you'll make the best decision for you.

Cam   New York

10:30am on Wednesday, February 13th, 2008 

Frank, a little piece of advice from you, and you can take this or leave it. Do not come to a blg about Quixtar to get advice and/or facts. Before making your decision, go check out some CREDIBLE sources. Don't go to yahoo or google and type in 'Quixtar'...anybody can write anything on the internet. Check out good, credible websites. Credible websites usually have a phone number to contact someone. A blog, is not the place to go for FACTS. Blogs are nothing but people expressing their opinions. How will know who is right and who is wrong? As you can see below, you can listen to Brian from Phoenix and not join Quixtar and take a huge chance on not being part of something so great, or you can listen to Blair (also listed below) and be a part of something great. That choice is yours and only yours. But before you decide which way to go, check out facts, not opinions.

Frank   Iowa

7:33pm on Tuesday, February 12th, 2008

This is very disappointing to me. For the last two weeks, I have been talking to people about Quixtar and becoming an IBO, but now I have my doubts. Is all of this true of what I'm reading about Quixtar and its connection with Amway? I also saw the website and was disappointed with how it was set up. I want to hear from people.....should I invest my money and time into this?

Brian   Phoenix

3:18pm on Thursday, February 7th, 2008 

One other thing I'd like to address to "anonymous" who told me "I'm free and you're not so BACK OFF!"

I really hope people who are on the fence about Amway/Quixtar get to see that sort of egotistical, holier than thou, response. Like I said, you know absolutely nothing about me, but you ASSUME that you're better than me because you have more money than I do?

See people, this is the type of response you get from someone who is "successful" in the "business", because they (think), they have more money than you, they think they're superior to you. Now seriously, would you want to deal with people like that all the time? I know I wouldn't.

Brain   Phoenix

3:04pm on Thursday, February 7th, 2008 

WOW! Another person hiding behind the curtain of anonymity. For someone who's SO successful, you'd think you'd be a bit more cheery in your recants, than telling me to "BACK OFF!"
Also, you're financially free? Care to email some pay stubs of your amazing income check? What pin level are you at? What cut of the tools do you get? How much do you retail? Instead of just saying how successful you are, why not prove it? If you want me to back off, you'll answer my questions.

I also LOVE how you tell me I'm not free, LOL! I had to laugh at that, I really did. You're making quite a statement there. How do you know? You don't have any idea about me or my financial status, do you? No, you just make a generalization (that's taught on tapes) that since I disagree with the Amway/Quixtar business model, and it's ethics that I must have no money.
Once again, a lot of huff, and NO PROOF.

Melita, how can you possibly state using Double X vitamins you will NEVER experience depression or anxiety? You're telling a LIE, and you're really just spamming this blog with that ridiculous advertisement.

Double X Vitamins cost $60 for a 1 month supply, compared to Centrum at $13.99 for 6 months, and you feel, NO DIFFERENCE. Quit spamming this page with bogus claims and a desperate attempt to increase your sales.
I notice you said, you know someone who makes $7,000 a month but never did you state what you made. Hmmm. I wonder why that is? I also wonder why you feel the need to make a sales pitch on this blog in order to get more business? If that product is so great it should sell itself.

Melita   Windsor, On

2:33pm on Thursday, February 7th, 2008 

Hello Everyone, well I know somebody who was very succesfull in Europe, making $7000 per month, travelling and enjoying the life thanks to Quixtar (aka Amway in Europe) and I know it works! I believe that using Quixtar vitamins on daily bassis NOBODY will EVER experience anxiety nor depression. Believe me it worked for me too! So, get rid of all antidepressants and other chemicals and get some real stuff that WORKS!I am sick and tired of harmful chemicals (called Medications that nobody has benefit of, only you know whoo...). If you wanna order go to my web site and tell me that I'm right, try taking the DoubleX vitamins for just 2 weeks and tell me you did see the difference! Make your stress, bipolar, depression etc. dissapear and feel great! Any comments? send me an e-mail:melitaivana@gmail.com I'm an IBO.

Anonymous   Location unknown

12:26pm on Thursday, February 7th, 2008

Not that it is any of your business what so ever, but my husband and I are financially independent all thanks to the Quixtar business and our wonderful mentors. If it weren't for this business, I would still be waking up every morning at 5:30, and leaving my children to go to work. I am very passionate about our business because of what it has done for my family. Infact, my husband will leaving his job in less than two months. So, go ahead and try telling me again, that Quixtar doesn't work or it is a scam. It's not. I am free, and you are not. So BACK OFF!

Brian   Phoenix

11:46am on Thursday, February 7th, 2008 

Hey Blair, how do you know what I've tried? How do you know what I know or don't know about the "business". Did you know that Quixtar is changing it's name BACK to AMWAY because Quixtar has gotten such a bad reputation over the past few years? Probably not, otherwise, you wouldn't have mentioned it's connection to Amway.

You also say if it was mentioned in the beginning nobody would be in it, but then you go on to say that you have nothing to hide? That statement is contradictory. You ARE hiding the fact that is, indeed AMWAY!

You challenge me to ask up front questions? I have and I've gotten run around responses, half truths and other examples. I ask someone "So how much are you making from Quixtar" I get "Well it's not where I am it's where I'm going" or "this guy makes X amount of dollars and in 3 years I'll be financially free" or "I'm not at liberty to discuss my finances, or I'll get some sort of lie about their income, and then ask to see a check or pay stub and they refuse to show me.
I ask what pin level are you at, I ask what cut of the tools business can you expect. I ask all sorts of questions and have yet, to get a legitimate answer.

I have the typical attitude of someone who doesn't believe? You have the attitude of a typical IBO who knows NOTHING about me. Like you said "you don't know, what you don't know". More tapespeak.
Of course if I wasn't involved with Amway/Quixtar I have no idea about the business, and if I was involved and decided to go another way, then I'm a "quitter" or a "loser" or "too lazy to do the work" yada, yada, yada. So either way, I can't win.

I've listed facts upon facts in my posts, about average IBO incomes, average IBO drop outs each year, RETAIL sales in the "business" and so on and so forth. Yet, I keep getting the same answers, "You have no idea." "Go back to your job", "You're too lazy to do the work" etc etc.

Tell me Blair, what's your pin level? How much product do you retail? What's your cut of the tools (if any)? How much do you spend on tools, tapes, books, seminars, functions, rallies? How many times a week do you show the plan? How much mileage do you put on your car? What's your retirement date or "dream" date (whatever they're calling it these days)?

Answer those for me and then I'll have some more questions for you.

Blair   USA

9:04am on Thursday, February 7th, 2008 

people dont tell other people up front that the new quixtar business is amway, because it isn't! people have given amway a bad name and reputation so why would we tell people up front that quixtar is affiliated with amway? if that was mentioned in the beginning, nobody would be in this business. amway was not a bad company. amway was extremely profitable but people grew tired of the job/employee profile that it maintained. please don't down talk people that are affiliated with quixtar. you don't know what you don't know. if you haven't given it a chance, how can you talk so much about something you know nothing about?? we hide nothing about this business. ask anybody anything and you will get an answer up front. try it, i challenge you. you have the typical attitude of someone who doesn't believe, so therefore they down it and trash talk. you haven't seen this business until you have actually SEEN it. so don't say anything about it until then. thank you.

Brian   Phoenix

12:37pm on Wednesday, February 6th, 2008 

Joseph, I have, indeed addressed the issues at hand. My hang up with "grammar" is that if someone is trying to sell me any kind of "business opportunity" they should be educated. And MOST IBO's who join up are not. They don't have the education to make wise decisions.
The people prey on kids between the ages of 18-21 because they're not set in their ways and they're very influential.
As far as my mistake with the use of the word "their" on 2/8/08, I don't know how that could be possible since, where I'm from it's only 2/6/08, but I'm happy that you scanned all of my statements searching for one mistake to critique me on. I'm human, I make mistakes.

I'm happy that you're an "independent" business person. Sure you need drive to accomplish anything, but facts are facts. You can't tell me only 1 in 14,000 people have the desire to make The Diamond level in Amway. Yeah, you can't win the lotto unless you buy a ticket, but I'm not about to run out and spend thousands a year on tickets to try and win it.

Now as far as dealing with the issue at hand, why didn't you deal with any issue? Instead you mention, one mistake I made in my, numerous, posts. That has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand. But hell, if you wanna talk ab9out my incorrect use of the word "their" let's look at your post.

You spelled the word "grammer" incorrectly,"carefull" incorrectly, "Independant" incorrectly.

Regardless, while I may have pointed out people's grammatical errors, I also posted many, MANY facts on this Quixtar business and I have YET to receive any valid arguments to them.

You're right Joe, Quixtar is for some people (the people at the top who make all of the money) and it is not for some (the other 90% or so at the bottom).

Why is it when someone is "prospecting" they NEVER mention, right away it's Quixtar or Amway? Why so secretive? If this "business" is so great why not tell the "prospect" up front what it is, instead of using some made up company name, nobody's ever heard of?

I await your response, as I'm sure you'll come up with something better than my mistake in using the word "their" or buying a lottery ticket.

Joseph   Elgin

11:07am on Wednesday, February 6th, 2008 

Hey Brian in Phoenix,
You know that you keep bashing people for their mistakes in spelling or grammer instead of addressing the issue at hand 100%. In your own response dated 2/8/08 8:40a.m. you used or spelled their incorrectly! "like to see that their educated" the correct spelling or use is they're or they are. Be carefull don't throw stones in glass houses! I am an independant business person and I know that in every business there are flaws but the number 1 reason for failure is lack of drive, desire, or lack of effort. In every field there is someone who complains, or thinks of only the negative reasons as to why "it" can't be done. Yet there is always someone who rises to the top. All I know is that you can't win the lotto unless you buy a ticket! Maybe Quixtar is not for some people and maybe just maybe IT IS.

Brian   Phoenix

11:28am on Tuesday, February 5th, 2008 

Great comeback, anonymous!

Why not give us some insights instead of just ignoring the facts? Why hide behind anonymity?

Instead, you fold like a cheap suit. We have something called the 1st Amendment in this country, "freedom of speech" and I will continue to practice my right.

If you don't like it, don't respond.
I also love how you assume I have a "job" or I must be an "employee". You don't know anything about me so quit making assumptions you know nothing about.

I will continue to post my opinions here, but thanks for your concern.

Anonymous   Location unknown

8:26am on Tuesday, February 5th, 2008

Stop responding to this blog. Go back to your job. Goodbye Phoenix.

Brian   Phoenix

5:23pm on Monday, February 4th, 2008 

Let me recant some of my statements about Sir. man. I misread what he wrote about going from $150,000 a year to $300,000 a year. He said he incorporated what he learned from Quixtar into his other businesses and doubled his money.
So I was wrong on that account.
However, I still find it very hard to believe a college student, who owns 3 businesses, can't spell words like "Success" or "opportunity" correctly. Seems to me such and educated, "successful" business man would be able to spell such pedestrian type words. Especially, key words like "success" and "opportunity" since those are the 2 biggest words in selling the MLM marketing scheme that is Amway/Quixtar.

He also states that everyone he's ever known associated with Amway/Quixtar loves the company, and wants to go back. What does that mean? If they loved the company, as you say, why would they have left? I'm pretty sure if someone "loves" their career or job that they aren't leaving it unless a better opportunity comes along. Sounds like a lot of double talk to me Sir. Man.

The one, absolutely, preposterous thing Sir. man stated that made me laugh myself to tears was that he'd be in the top 3% of money makers in the country in a few years. Yeah, right. I'm sure you'll be hobnobbing with the Gates and the Trumps of the world in no time at all. I guess you'll also be making more than The Devos's as well.

In a nutshell, not only does the business model and it's ethics suck, it's salespersons suck too.
You need look no further than Sir. Man's post to see that.

Brian   Phoenix

5:11pm on Monday, February 4th, 2008

If any of you guys read Sir. Man's testimony you'll see exactly why I HATE AmQuix with a passion.
First of all, as with most IBO's he has to insult people by saying "You have to be an IDIOT not to make money with Quixtar" Well if that's the case, I guess 13,999 out of 14,000 people are idiots according to him.

Another thing, he claims to be a college student with a 3,000 SQ ft home (which really isn't that big) but he also claims to have a beach house, rental properties, 3 businesses and all the time in the world?
Sorry bub, that's not the way thigs work in the real world and any TRUE business owner KNOWS that, for you business to be successful (notice how I spelled SUCCESS Sir, man? It's not spelled "seccess") you have to invest TIME in it. A business does not run itself.

This guy also claims to have gone from $150,000 (with landscaping and booking Christian rock bands) to $300,000 in a year? All you people have to do is look up Dateline NBC's expose on Quixtar and you'll see how IBO's exaggerate their income claims to impress, unsuspecting people, and then, when questioned on it, either back down from the question or retract their statement.

Then what pisses me off even more is how a guy like Sir. Man says it's NOT just about money, but about God. What does one have to do with the other? These Quixtar/Amway cults LOVE to somehow incorporate God with materialistic things. Now I'm not a religious guy, nor do I pretend to be, but even I know that God does not encourage GREED.

People like Sir. Man make Amway/Quixtar sound so glamorous, but let me ask you readers a serious question, do you really think if this man made $300,000 a year (owning 3 businesses) he'd be on a webpage with only 27 posts (5 of which are mine)?

Also, while math and numbers are my strong suit, I'm pretty sure someone, with even basic math skills, could add up $1,000 a month for 12 months and get $12,000. So please, Sir. Man tell us how you went from making $150,000 a year, to $300,000 a year by making an extra $1,000 a month?

This is what the majority of Amway/Quixtar IBO's do. They lie, cheat, and try to con you into giving them money. They'll say whatever they can to get you involved. Now, unlike Sir. Man I won't call you an "idiot" if you can't see how bogus this guys claims are, but I will say you should read his comments again and see how outrageous his claims really are.
I have to admit, I got quite a chuckle from it.

And to Anonymous, that's the exact comeback I'd expect. Something like "I don't care what you say, because I believe this, and you're not changing my mind, even if you do make valid points."

Anonymous   Location unknown

10:45am on Monday, February 4th, 2008

Well, I still say that it is mere laziness and there is no belief and confidence. Believe what you want.

N4ME   Atlanta

10:49am on Sunday, February 3rd, 2008 

I tried quixtar a few years ago and i have to say that there is something not quite right about it. I went to a convention outside of Philly about 5 years ago and the people there act like zombies or religious nuts. A whole lot of clapping and singing and praising of all the people who got in 20-25 years ago and are the ones making all the money. This was a room full of people probably about 500 people and I felt like I was the only one with a mind of my own. Seemed too cult like. Are all these people making a lot of money...don't know because no one really tells you what they are making like its a big secret. They will only tell you to come to a meeting and see for yourself, but when you go it's the same old thing. SHOW ME THE MONEY. If it really works then show me the money and my cousin was the one who got me into it, but even he never told me what he was making. He told me he was going to quit his job within a year of that conference in 2003, but as far as i know he is still working at his job. and yes i try to avoid him because after almost 10years of him being in the business, i am really tired of hearing, or actually not really hearing, about it.

Brian   Phoenix

12:25pm on Friday, February 1st, 2008 

That's ok "anonymous". I'd expect nothing less than some tape speak from someone like yourself and that other person who went by ....., .....

I've heard all that spoken before too. Like I said, first of all just because someone decides that AmQuix isn't for them that doesn NOT make them a "faliure". That's typical cult type talk. Blame the victim. Make them feel worthless or fearful of what their life might be without AmQuix.
You IBO's believe you're better than anyone, not involved, with the business. Your arrogant attitudes grow tiresome and that's why people want nothing to do with you.

The average IBO makes $1,400 a year GROSS. To that, ...... person, let me know how you make out losing money for the next 40 years in AmQuix.

Back to "anonymous". First of all I have no idea how the "FTD" could consider anything a pyramid. What is the "FTD"?
I said The FTC - Federal Trade Commission ruled that the "Tape and Tool" business was, indeed a PYRAMID, not the Amway business itself. Do you know what a pyramid scheme is? If so, tell me how, the tapes and tool business is not a pyramid.

Are you telling me you're going to make more money that your upline by selling tapes and tools? No way, it CAN'T happen.
Either way, it really doesn't matter. Of course I guess only .01% of people in AmQuix aren't lazy, since that's the percentage of IBO's that will reach the Diamond level.
Just because someone doesn't agree with AmQuix's business model, or ethics, doesn't make them LAZY. You're told, point blank, you only have to work 10-15 hours a week to make millions. Seems to me that isn't busting your ass. So IBO's want money without working hard, but then turn around and say, "you're not working hard enough". Which is it?

....   .....

11:48am on Friday, February 1st, 2008 

To all negative EMPLOYEE'S---let me know how your job security works out in 40 years.

Anonymous   Location unknown

11:36am on Friday, February 1st, 2008 

Brian: Amway and Quixtar have been bad mouthed for years because lazy people who don't want to do the work and they just want to get rich quick have failed in this business and thats how Amway and Quixtar got a "bad reputation."
And the FTD COULD NOT have found this business to be a pyramid, because if that were true, the Quixtar/Amway business would not be around and growing as large as it is, because incase you didn't know....PYRAMIDS ARE ILLEGAL!

Brad   Phoenix

8:40am on Friday, February 1st, 2008 

Yes, you should make your decisions based on FACT, not opinion. Fact, you spelled the word "Decision" incorrectly. Again, if somebody is trying to sell me a "business opportunity" I'd at, the very least, like to see that their educated. As with most IBO's they spell words incorrectly, respond bitterly to criticism and make broad statements like "I know what the facts are" but never actually list them.

FACT- Average IBO makes $1,400 a year GROSS
FACT- 1 in 14,000 (.01%) IBO's will reach the Diamond level
FACT- 3.4% of Quixtar/Amways sales are to RETAIL customers

With anything in life you should research the matter and make an educated decision from your research. However, unlike what IBO's tell you, you should process both positive and negative facts about this "business"

IBO's tell you, "you can create a website with your own business name" "Quixtar is just our supplier" Yeah, right.

A business owner can decide where to sell his/her product, they are NOT told where and when they can advertise or sell their product buy their supplier. Try selling a case of XS on EBAY, try putting Nutralite Vitamins in a corner store and see how many rules you're violating according to your "supplier".

Ya know, drug dealers also have "suppliers" and I wouldn't want to be one of those either.

Kimberly   Dallas, TX

7:41pm on Thursday, January 31st, 2008 

Here is the deal guys-Life is what you make it. If you choose to listen to what everyone has to say and based my decesion on "opinion" rather than fact, in any situation, you have to ask yourself-"Where would I be in Life?" I think we all know the answer-no where. The bottom line is do things for yourself. If you are passionate about something-go for it! I could defend Quixtar with facts from the previous statements-no advertisment, we have national spokespeople-ads in Oprah's magazine-you can create your own website with YOUR business name---But, the truth of that matter is, I know what is fact and what is opinion and you should find out for yourself-period.

Brian   Phoenix

3:28pm on Thursday, January 31st, 2008 

A couple more things here. About Amway not being shut down by the FTC. This is simply because Amway makes false claims about their sales. In order to please the FTC Amway incorporated a 70% rule. This states that 70% of the Amway products must be sold to RETAIL CUSTOMERS. And although IBO's can fill out a form claiming that. It's kind of hard to believe since only 3.4% of Amway products are sold to RETAIL CUSTOMERS.

Why is that? If these products were SO great, as IBO's claim, or they were priced competitively, don't you think people would, indeed purchase these products?

The fact is, in order to get your 100PV (300PV for couples) a month you have to buy a LOT of things you don't normally buy.

How many people NEED energy drinks? How many people NEED vitamins? How many people NEED $9.60 generic shampoo?
Sure you need toilet paper, toothpaste, cleaning supllies etc etc etc, but how much of this stuff can you go through in a month? A bottle of Suave shampoo (at $1.04) lasts me almost a YEAR. 12 rolls of toilet paper lasts me around 6 months. How much detergent do I need to use?
Double X Vitamins cost around $60 (for a 1 month supply) as compared to Centrum Multi-Vitamins @ $13.99 for a 6 month supply. Over the course of 6 months you pay and extra $345 for vitamins?
Sure Nutralite Vitamins are better quality, but at that price they better be made of GOLD.

Fact is a lot of people buy a lot of things that they DON'T NEED just to make their PV and get their $10 bonus check.
I'll get a lot of responses like "Dream Killer" or I'm a "Broke Employee" I'm a "Failure" etc etc etc.
That type of thing just goes to show you how well these IBO's take criticism about Amway/Quixtar. And how they all think alike.
IBO stands for "INDEPENDENT BUSINESS OWNER". Let's break that down.

1st word- "Independent". O.K if you truly are, independent, you should have no limitations on how, or where you advertise your products. Also, you should not be told what to read, what to listen to, what to say, and what NOT to watch or read.

2nd part- "Business Owner". Exactly how is this a business? It's the same thing as selling Mary Kay Products or Tupper Ware. You are a glorified salesperson.
As a business owner you don't have to answer to anyone. You run your business how you see fit, and make your own decisions. As an IBO you have an UPLINE to check in with, and ok things with before you should proceed. That sounds more like an employee, with a boss, rather than a business owner to me.

Also, as an IBO you're told to go to seminars, meeting, rallies etc, all of which cost you losts of $$$$$ (probably around $2,000-$2,500 a year, and remember that the average IBO makes $1,400 a year) Working for a company, when you're told to attend "business meetings" (which is what Amway/Quixtar calls these seminars, rallies and meetings) the company you work for not only PAYS for your expenses, they PAY you for your time.
The money you spend on a weekend function in Amway/Quixtar (around $500 or so) does NOT include, food or room and board. So think of how much extra that costs. Probably around another $500.

Sure, some people (very few) people have gotten rich off of Quixtar/Amway, and there's no denying that but very few people have also gotten rich off of being a professional athlete, winning the lottery or being an entertainer. Just because these things have happened for some people does NOT guarantee that they'll happen for you. Possible? Yes. Probable? No.

Go ahead IBO's tell me how I'm a "negative thinker" and how I'm a "hater" a "loser" a "broke employee". Make your snap judgements and assumptions about people who don't agree with Amway/Quixtar's business model, insult them, belittle them, we know that's what you were taught to do when faced with adversity.

Brian   Phoenix

2:39pm on Thursday, January 31st, 2008 

Kelley from Austin TX, speaks like a true IBO of the "business". "Buy things from your own business and you get money back. Buy things from Walmart and are they going to give you a bonus check?" Blah Blah Blah.
Here are some price comparisons between Amway products and retail products at store like Walmart, Target etc

Suave Shampoo $1.04(20.4oz)- Amway Shampoo $9.60 (10.5oz)
Heinz Ketchup $2.49 - Smart Menu Ketchup $3.00
Power Bar protein bars $1.44ea- Trim Advantage Protein bars $2.38ea
EAS Protein shakes $9.99/4 (17oz 42g protein)
XS Protein shakes $35.95/12 (11.5oz 35g protein)
Tide Detergent .23 c/load - SA8 .63 c/load

People like Shelley don't tell you the whole story. Amway has fined numerous times over the years, anlso the FTC found the "tool business" to be a PYRAMID.

Fact is only 3.4% of Quixtar/Amway products are sold to CUSTOMERS (people who are not involved with Quixtar/Amway) While 96.6% are sold to IBO's
That's like owning a McDonald's and consuming 96.6% of your own inventory to make money. Any business owner knows that your CUSTOMERS are what makes you money and consuming your own products won't

Sure, you get a "bonus check" but when your overpaying for products by 150-200% and getting $50 back, you're not making anything, in fact you're LOSING money.

The average IBO makes $1,400 a year GROSS. After books, tapes, seminars, rallies, weekly meetings, travel time, miles and gas (plus buying overpriced products from your own "business") how much do you think the average IBO NETS every year?

People talk about all the millionaires in Quixtar/Amway. Let's just say 1 person makes $1,000,000 even. To get down to the average of $1,400 that means that for that 1 person that 714 people would make 0. Of course Quixtar's number of $1,400 only includes ACTIVE IBO's otherwise the number $1,400 would be much lower. And since 66% of IBO's drop out each year ,that means if someone sponsored 100 people they'd have to sponsor 66 more people the following year just to keep up.

When someone shows you "the plan" or "the business" it's pretty amazing that these IBO's NEVER sell a "prospect" "the business" or the products, instead they sell "The dream".

Quixtar/Amway is a dead end for more than 99.9% of IBO's who get involved. Quixtar's own facts state that only 1: 14,000 or .01% will ever make the diamond level.

Let me just say, you can, indeed reach your goals and achievements, but you have a much better chance by working hard in COLLEGE and getting a good education, rather than swindling people out of money with half truths and exaggerated statements.

Quixtar says- "People who don't do the work will fail" The ironic thing about that ismost people who join Quixtar are looking to get rich by only working "10 to 15 hours a week" instead of spending 4 or 5 years in college getting a TRUE education. This is why IBO's target people between the ages of 18-21, since most of these kids are naive and looking for direction in their lives.

Quixtar/Amway is GARBAGE! There is a reason Amway has been bad mouthed for generations and it has nothing to do with envy or jealousy of the 1 in 15,000 that become successful in MLM.

Kelley   Austin, TX

3:34pm on Wednesday, January 30th, 2008 

Ya know people, Quixtar is a very INEXPENSIVE way to try out your own business. All it costs nowadays is $175.00 to start! If you don't like it, all you've lost is $175.00. How is that a scam? And I PERSONALLY know people who have quit their jobs from being successful in Quixtar. It DOES work. And YES. Other people have to buy products for you to be really successful. What is wrong with that? Hello? You would be buying toilet tissue, hair care---everything you need from your house from the grocery store or Walmart. Why not make money off of what you buy for your house. Sorry folks. Quixtar is NOT a scam. The Amway Corp has been around for 50 years now. Don't you think that if it were a scam the government would've shut them down. They were investigated and the government could find NOTHING illegal! Do the research yourself if you don't believe me. It sure beats working for someone else and being at their mercy! Take a chance and dream big! You CAN make LOTS of LEGAL money off of Quixtar! Do your research!

jeff   ohio

1:03pm on Wednesday, January 30th, 2008 

Yes,there is a chance that it could work for you but, it don't work for everybody. Plus, the price of their products were way over priced and the owners of Quixtar take almost all the profit off the top before you the (little guy) get it. That sucks, a lot of hard work and little to show. I was an Ibo and it wasn't working for me so i start another business. It's nonprofit so all the money come back to business and then to you the(little guy)no owner so you get more money(not so little now).and it is blowing the roof off right now and i'm always looking to tell some one what i have done.That way they cant do the samething. My friends laugh but its true i dont work i have fun doing what i do so i dont look at it as work its everyday life. Getting paid for just being alive. Opps, I just gave some of my business away.

Anonymous   Location unknown

12:34pm on Monday, January 28th, 2008 

Yes that is true about the dateline ordeal, but didn't you also see and hear on the news that dateline RETRACTED any negative story they ever publicized about Quixtar? People don't know what they don't know :)

Dave   reynolds

10:43pm on Saturday, January 26th, 2008 

Quixtar is a joke. Just another scam. didnt you fools see the dateline hidden camera investigation? The dateline hidden camera investigation of this Quixtar Scam shows a whole stadium of these morons looking like they are in a trance, shouting something like "Go,Go Freedom.. Flush that stinking job!

The truth is that not even one percent of those idiots will ever become financially independent. What kind of legitimate business would waste peoples time and money to go to some cultish convention where they tug at your heart strings with the tease of a better life.

I cant believe these morons fall for the Quixtar Scam :)

Sir. Man   East Tn

7:00pm on Friday, January 25th, 2008 

Quixtar is the real deal. i have worked with them for a year now and have been making money every month. Everything is opional within the company, you are not forced to do anything. Although, it is a business system and mentorship program that is ranked within the top 10 companies in amaerica, In my advice, listen to them. Within my branch there is over 5000+ young people making 3-4000$ per month.
yes, the same 3 families that created Amway( but it has been reworked, and everyone i have ever known that was associated, loved the comapany and wants to go back), owns the orlando magic, and several other business ventures, `created Quixtar.. I chose to do strictly sales and now make an extra $1000 per month just in customers and buy nothing myself. But have recently with all of my seccess, my friends are asking to join me and teach them as i have 2 other businesses outside of quixtar in landscaping and booking Christian bands all over the country. I was making 150,000 per before quixtar and with my friends i will be in the top 3% of money makers in the country within a few years and im very excited to help them out in making extra moeny, so they wont be stuck in huge debt at graduation day like 75% of the US. YES! It is real! YES! it works! Yes! you can do it too. if you listen and not be a hard headed idiot and try to do things off your own ideas of business. i took the same ideas and system of business and applied it to my other businesses and went from 150,000 per year to almost 300,000 in this last year. As a part time venture you will have no better oppertunity out there.. you will have to be a complete idiot to not make moeny in quixtar. your start up is completely refundable and teach you how to make it back your first month.

How many young old college students do you know that owns a 3000 sq ft house, 3 rental propeties, 2 beach homes, 3 businesses, and has all the time and money in the world to do with as they please??? And Before you say it, it isnt all about money get that first and formost, God Created us and He is undiscrabable in how he has worked and blessed my life. And there are 25 guys just like me in our team, that have business all over the US and will be retiring before they graduate college. GEt IT??

As i tell the young people in my youth group.
"Why live ordinary when His plan is extordinary?" -Me

T.L.T.   USA

11:04am on Wednesday, January 23rd, 2008 

If your looking for a bit of advice about Quixtar, I'll give you my opinion. Quixtar definetly is the key to financial freedom. I mean if you think about it, you already have to work for 40 years so why not try this on the side and just maybe if you decide to do the work and keep up with it, you'll be able to retire 35 years early. You have nothing to lose. There is so much more to life than working your life away until your 60 or 65 years old and then retiring and not having enough money or enough energy to do all of the things that you've probably always wanted to do. Life is not a rehersal. There are no do-overs. So why not just try something different along the way? The only reason your trying to back yourself out of becoming a part of the Quixtar organization is because of what you are conditioned to think. People everywhere are born into failure. People don't know, what they don't know. Quixtar has helped me and my family in a way that we could never say enough thank you's or repay our mentors in any kind of way. What you chose to do with your 24 hours in a day, is completely your decision. Why let someone else ( your boss ) dictate who you are, what you do, and why let someone else decide how much you are worth? Nobody in this world gets paid at their job what they are worth. In Quixtar, you get paid for as much work as what you do, so if you do nothing, you will get paid nothing. Man only has one lifetime, so why wait until your life is over and it is too late to say, "if only I had tried something different."

Scott C   Tacoma, WA

1:49am on Tuesday, January 22nd, 2008 

Im getting sucked into this Quixtar thing. I mean is it really possible to be successful with it? My cousin is speaking of it as it being the key to financial freedom retiring in 5 years. I mean come on... and my dumbass is going to my first quixtar meeting tommorrow. Please someone out there back me out.

scam guy   spokane, wa

8:22pm on Monday, January 21st, 2008 

You are a fool if you think your going to get rich by joining quixtar these days. maybe if you were in when it first started.

Steve   New York

2:38pm on Sunday, January 13th, 2008 

The challenge is that like most business operations, people will fail because of their lack of work ethic. I own a substantial daytime company. If people can't success in a business like Quixtar, they should give up on the idea of ever owning and operating a traditional business. The expenses to run a successful Quixtar business are nominal compared to a traditional business. The structure of my daytime corporation is a pyramid - I am at the top. I started the operation, I built it. I think it's great to be at the top. I wish the Quixtar operation was a pyramid because then I could simply buy in and be at the top. So, everyone starts at zero and has to work in order to succeed. Can't much fairer than that. If you're not willing to work your tail off, deal with some frustrations and totally commit to making your business work, then don't ever start your own business. For that matter, don't start anything (musical instrument, sport, etc.) because you will not make it without long hard work. The Quixtar model provides a phenomenal avenue for success especially when considering that you can be mentored by other successful IBO's.

Michaella   Anna, IL

11:42am on Thursday, January 10th, 2008 

My family and I became IBO's through Quixtar a couple of years ago. It's been an amazing experience. My mom gets to retire several years early from her state job. She's achieved success through hard work and dedication...while teaching me to do the same. People that believe this is a scam are missing out on a great opportunity. This business is creating a new social security system for me....because social security won't be there for me when I'm older.

Lisa   Tucson, AZ

3:06pm on Wednesday, January 9th, 2008 

Quixtar has been an amazing ride for us. You can make your business what you want it to be, and we've made our positive. The people we have come in contact with has been encouraging, uplifting, and supportive. This is nothing like Amway, and its not a pyrmid system like most jobs are. In my last job I could never make as much as my boss or even pass him in pay like you can in Quixtar. Your leaders above you encourage you to do what you can, even if it means passing them on to a higher level. If your positive and have faith in yourself this is a great opportunity for you....

ARAT   Maryland

10:02am on Monday, January 7th, 2008 

Quixtar is a wonderful business with excellent mentors and friends. This business is exactly what you make of it and nothing more. If you have a negative attitude about it, then the outcome will indefinetly be negative. Everything in life is what you make of it. If your looking for something great to come out of this business, then why not dive into it with an open, positive, and believing mind? How can you achieve something so great if you don't even believe in it? It's nothing but insecurity. And as for the person who said about going to college and getting a legitimate job.....you let me know how it works out.... working for 40 years and then relying on social security (which won't even exist in 40 years from now) and trying to live on half of the income you can't afford to live on in the first place.

Cynthia   Santa Fe, New Mexico

4:33pm on Friday, January 4th, 2008 

I am always looking to "test reality" and find out what works for me in terms of my job and my future. Not everything is as it appears and not everything is a scam. As a new IBO, I face the fact that I don't always know everything when situations or questions about scams arise. I appreciate when people come up to me and say "That's a scam! Here's what I found!" I like looking up new information and finding out exactly what is being said and from whom. I like to research what other experts say about Quixtar and their business practices; for example, Success Magazine, which gave a positive report about Quixtar and their business. I like to remind people about the positive reports about Quixtar and encourage them to look at all the information before making final decisions. What I do know is that so far this business has challenged my ability to take responsibility for my own life and for my future and not just point a finger and say "he/she said so". I have found many entrepreneurs respect me when I am willing to look at other opinions and perspectives. I encourage anyone to look carefully at the Quixtar company and to consider all the information thoughtfully and carefully, without being swayed by emotion or "group thinking".

Michelle   Florida

12:16pm on Wednesday, January 2nd, 2008 

Who said Quixtar was a short cut to success? This is a real opportunity. How much success you gain from it depends on how hard you work.

Locke   California

6:59pm on Sunday, December 30th, 2007 

How about going to college and getting a legitimate job. There are no shortcuts to success people.

Sharon   New Middletown, OH

11:12am on Wednesday, December 26th, 2007 

You have only to look at the awesome leaders in this business to know that you didn't finish your research. Also, the "stuff" that you talk about is product that people are buying anyway. And by the way, retail stores don't pay you to buy from them. As a Quixtar IBO, you can benefit from wholesale prices or go to the next level and help others to do the same as you. Please check it out further. So far, you have received 2 good reviews to one person who was poorly informed by their sponsor about how to completely close out of their account. Loving the opportunity that Quixtar has given me and my family!

David   Santa Monica, CA

5:59pm on Thursday, December 20th, 2007 

Quixtar the Amway of Old...
I closed my account with Quixtar a year ago and I'll still get orders from time to time that I never asked for. What really annoys me is that my debit card gets charged and once that even caused a bounced check, which they obviously wont reimburse me for.

Anonymous   Kirkland, WA

5:58pm on Thursday, December 20th, 2007 

Quixtar is an amazing place to get great mentors and great leadership to help you through not only your business but life. A place that offers great association and compassion for wanting to win financially. The "never give up" mentality is number one and this helps find those who want more out of life and who will fight for it. A great way to use your time since you can either to it part time of full time depending on your situation.